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to: ALEXEY VISSARIONOV
from: KEES VAN EETEN
date: 2014-10-14 18:40:00
subject: FTSC-5001 question

Hello Alexey!

14 Oct 14 09:14, you wrote to me:

 AV>>> When the pipe() system call was invented (1973), there were no PCs
 AV>>> with their shitty DOS.
 KE>> The pipe system requires a multitasking OS. DOS was single tasking
 KE>> hence the intermediate files when using pipes.

 AV> Have you ever heard of TSR?

 Sure, but not as part of the OS.

 KE>>>> The only concept of pipes in MSdos was the use of "|". It was
 KE>>>> implemented by use of intermediate files.
 AV>>> DOS is dead for over 10 years.
 KE>> The fossil interface is at least 25 years old, and apparently the
 KE>> software people like to use out of habit or whatever, is as old.

 AV> Accessing serial ports as /dev/cua0 is much older.

 You are referring to Unix, where everything is a file. At the time Unix
 was not seen as what it is now. People were used to what IBM, Digital,
 Data General and others offered at the time.

 Unix was/is a proprietary system from AT&T. and only used by AT&T and at
 universities. MS dos is tailored after CP/M that was inspired by RT/11 from
 Digital.

 All the above was implemented on very expensive mainframe and minicomputers.

 CP/M was for 8 bit processors and the first PC's were 16bit without
 memory management.

 Check the circumstances of the history first, before you make bold
 staments.

 KE>> The developers passed away or lost their interest in Fidonet and
 KE>> many did not release their source code or lost their source code
 KE>> due to unexpected circumstances.

 AV> That's good: we've got rid of ancient crippleware.

 No, it is still there and is not maintained.

 KE>> When people lose their interest in Fidonet, they really do not
 KE>> care anymore, look in the nodelist, there are so many now
 KE>> disfunctional entries from people who apparently left Fidonet,
 KE>> otherwise they would have made sure their nodelist entries would
 KE>> present functional connection information.

 AV> So why are those people still listed?

 Because apparently they form the core of Fidonet. The progressive ones are
 found on facebook and whatever other Social Media is popular at the moment.
 If you force the conservative people out of Fidonet, the net will lose
 it's current already weak momentum and die.

Kees

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