From: "Rich" 

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   Even if not visible by default, the classic menus are present if you =
try to use them.  Otherwise, you are just arguing that you are more =
comfortable with them.  For folks like you there is the option to = display
them by default which is what you have chosen to do.  All you = appear to
be doing is whining that your personal preferences are not the = defaults
for everyone.  You have attempted to make this argument in the = past.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:4592e651$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  You didn't answer the question, if we reverse the gas and brake =
pedals, is=20
  the care usable? By your standards it should still be considered =
usable=20
  because the controls are still there although they are not where you =
expect=20
  them.

  For me, I've been using windows for years and it's like second nature. =
If=20
  you start moving the controls I have to learn to drive all over again.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:4591ee36$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     I made no stupid claims relating to cars.  You did make a stupid =
claim=20
  relating to the classic menu.  Support your claim or retract it.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:4591e1bc$3{at}w3.nls.net...
    If I switch the position of the gas and brake pedals in your car, is =
the=20
  car
    usable? You answer that then I'll answer your question.

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:4591dfa2{at}w3.nls.net...
       You wrote "turning off the menu bar in IE7 ... I had to turn it =
back on
    to make it useable".  I asked "what is present on the classic menus =
that=20
  is
    not present on the new toolbar menus that is necessary for IE to be=20
  usable?"
    You failed to answer in your reply and I asked again.  And again you =
fail=20
  to
    answer.  If you lied when you claimed it was necessary to you to =
make it
    usable say so otherwise please identify what was missing that made =
it
    unusable.

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:4591cdd0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      "Rich"  wrote in message news:458f0097{at}w3.nls.net...
      >>   Regarding IE7, what is present on the classic menus that is =
not
    present
      >> on the new toolbar menus that is necessary for IE to be =
usable?<<

      I'm typing in windows mail, above I see
      file/edit/view/insert/format/tools/message/help. THAT is what is =
missing
    in
      IE7. What, didn't the IE7 team synchronize the interface design =
with the
      rest of the Windows teams? I open my computer, I see
      file/edit/view/tools/help, looks familiar, did the IE7 team not =
notice
    this?

      According to you everyone but the IE7 team fucked up huh?

      Geo.

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   Even if
not visible by =
default, the=20
classic menus are present if you try to use them.  Otherwise, you
= are just=20
arguing that you are more comfortable with them.  For folks like =
you there=20
is the option to display them by default which is what you have chosen = to=20
do.  All you appear to be doing is whining that your personal =
preferences=20
are not the defaults for everyone.  You have attempted to make this =

argument in the past.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:4592e651$1{at}w3.nls.net...You=20
  didn't answer the question, if we reverse the gas and brake pedals, is =
the=20
  care usable? By your standards it should still be considered usable=20
  because the controls are still there although they are not where =
you=20
  expect them.For me, I've been using windows
for years and =
it's=20
  like second nature. If you start moving the controls I have to =
learn to=20
  drive all over
again.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in =
message news:4591ee36$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  I made no stupid claims relating to cars.  You did make a stupid =
claim=20
  relating to the classic menu.  Support your claim or retract=20
  it.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:4591e1bc$3{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  If I switch the position of the gas and brake pedals in your car, is =
the=20
  car  usable? You answer that then I'll answer your=20
  question. 
Geo.  "Rich" <{at}> wrote
in =
message=20
  news:4591dfa2{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
  You wrote "turning off the menu bar in IE7 ... I had to turn it back=20
  on  to make it useable".  I asked
"what is present on =
the=20
  classic menus that is  not present on the
new toolbar =
menus that=20
  is necessary for IE to be usable?"  You
failed to answer =
in your=20
  reply and I asked again.  And again you fail
to =20
  answer.  If you lied when you claimed it was necessary to you to =
make=20
  it  usable say so otherwise please identify what was missing =
that=20
  made it  unusable.  =
Rich   =20
  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:4591cdd0$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:458f0097{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;  =20
  >>   Regarding IE7, what is present on
the classic =
menus that=20
  is not 
present    >> on the new
=
toolbar=20
  menus that is necessary for IE to be =
usable?<<   =20
  I'm typing in windows mail, above I see   =20
  file/edit/view/insert/format/tools/message/help. THAT is what is=20
  missing  in   
IE7. What, didn't the IE7 =
team=20
  synchronize the interface design with
the    rest =
of the=20
  Windows teams? I open my computer, I see   =20
  file/edit/view/tools/help, looks familiar, did the IE7 team not=20
  notice 
this?    According to you =
everyone but=20
  the IE7 team fucked up huh?   =20
Geo.

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