*** Quoting Jeff Smith from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

JS>      But that's the issue Carol. Would we be better off with a seperat
JS> peron as moderator? In this case yes. In general? Not so much so IMO.
JS> think that the option to have a seperate person as moderator is good a
JS> would be advisable in this case. But I don't think that the editor sho
JS> automatically be precluded from being the moderator. Next question wou
JS> then be who would make that determination and be objective in doing so


 CS>> Fidonet now has a thought pattern of Z2 is bigger. If Z1 did that
 CS>> when they were bigger, it was not as obvious.  It may have held
 CS>> sway, but was not the systematic 'your zone vs mine' that we have
 CS>> seen in the past 3 years grow.

 CS>> People have polarized and it's very obvious from outside the 2
 CS>> zones.

 JS>>      And that is the problem as I see it. People are hung up on
 JS>> which zone is better. Who's way is better. In some cases which
 JS>> country is better. I know it sounds naive but I consider us all
 JS>> members of Fidonet more than I consider us members of a part of

I am gleaning ideas. I did not post a rebuttal yet.  I was on vacation and
¨didnt really bother to think about it. I was more busy catching mahi
.  Got ¨some good ones too!

JS>      Yes it does. It does because the majority of us are complacent an
JS> let a vocal few decide for us.

Not always. I have a nodenumber in Z6, because of a few netmails I sent
back in ¨2001.  I do not have the ones that 'prompted' them, but the
context should be ¨clear if i release them.

 JS>>      If Michiel had posted a message or a reply in the echo to
 JS>> what I in the article or followed with a reply article. I wouldn't
 JS>> have had a problem with that at all. In fact I replied in the
 JS>> Fidonews echo to his article about you and the nodelist. I
 JS>> chose the echo over the Fidonews because I didn't want to use the
 JS>> Fidonews as just another forum to argue

 CS> Yes but had you replied over a long term on those same subjects?
 CS> Thats how I was able to see what Michiel would bring up, before I saw
 CS> the article.  I addressed much of it about 8-12 hours before the post
 CS> came in.  Not so spooky, just we'd covered that same ground before.

JS>      I understand what you are trying to say. From my point of view I
JS> somone who chose to post an article at the same time as mine. That was
JS> rebuttal or reply to the same points that I was making in my article.
JS> person who was also a friend and supporter of the editor. Based on the
JS> situation and the history here Carol the conclusion that Michiel was m
JS> privy to my article prior to it being published isn't that hard or muc
JS> a stretch. That is one of the concerns that I have regarding Bjorn as
JS> It is not his technical abilities to be editor. It is his apparent ina
JS> to be fair and unbiased in his treatment of people as editor. That is

I can not decide well how I feel on this one.  I am unsure it wasnt just a
¨repeat debate, just like Michiels was to me.

There's not a damn thing Michiel said about Z6, that he hasnt harped on for
the ¨past 3 years except a few stray thread that go back even further, some
as much ¨as 10 years now.

                                       xxcarol

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