From: "Geo" 

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Ok fine, so why does every frelling windows program on earth have a File =
Edit View menu bar then if it's not needed? Are you slo or something? = You
been hanging out with Kai from Kai's power tools or Paul Bun from =
Ultrabac that you suddenly don't understand what consistancy is? You =
never used File/Open or Edit/copy?

Is a name like OE important to me, no I can deal with calling it Windows =
Mail AGAIN, except last time the name changed it was actually a = different
program. Anyway, since the name isn't important, WHY CHANGE = IT? Oh right,
it's not paint though..

Number of services, I'm coming from W2K not XP. I have 37 services =
running on my W2K laptop including 3 thinkpad services, sygate, 3 avg =
services,  that means 30 for windows. 69 you say, lets see that's a 130% =
increase? soundcard service, drm related? how many of these are required =
for drm/copyprotection?

IPv6 running by default is totally un-needed on most of the machines in =
the US, thus it increases surface area for hacking on all those = machines,
heck we finally got rid of netbeui and IPX and we get stuck = with another
unneeded protocol?  ssdp wasn't that the first remote anon = exploit for
XP, have we learned nothing?

How the hell do I uninstall this stupid windows defender crap? I'm a =
grownup, I don't need no damn babysitter.

Oh, I went to disable the license service and it threatened me with =
reduced functionality, I disabled it anyway and guess what, no reduced =
functionality? Time delayed or idle threat?

Geo.
  "Rich"  wrote in message news:458f0097{at}w3.nls.net...
     Are you intentionally blind or just trying to appear ignorant.

     Regarding IE7, what is present on the classic menus that is not =
present on the new toolbar menus that is necessary for IE to be usable?

     There are an enormous number of improvements and new features both =
in the platform and the applications.  If you only can see what you call =
"new paint" you would be blind to much of this.  Of what you call
"new = paint" there is much of this too none of which has the
purpose you made = up.

     Windows Mail is the name for the new version of what was Outlook =
Express which is the name for the newer versions of what was Internet =
Mail and News.  Is the name important to you?

     The number of services running on my Windows XP system is 60 while =
the number on my Windows Vista Ultimate system is 69.  While the number =
of services increased by 15% the number of service processes decreased =
from 23 to 15 or 34%.  The extra services provide greater granularity.  =
This is with my having enabled a number of optional services on my =
Windows Vista system so the decrease should be even greater for you.  =
There are also fewer ports open though most of these are blocked by the =
firewall on both systems.  Finally, the privilege level of the existing =
services has been reduced even further it was in Windows XP.  In other =
words, there is less attack surface.

  Rich

    "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:458ea6c6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    So after a few days running vista on my mail laptop I've come to the
    conclusion that the reason Microsoft does things like turning off =
the menu
    bar in IE7 is just to make it look different because it certainly =
isn't for
    added functionality as I had to turn it back on to make it useable.

    Seems there is a lot of new paint who's only purpose is to hide the =
fact
    that it's still a Windows 2000 system with not much new except DRM =
and a few
    frills and ok there are a handful of .1 release type improvements =
like task
    manager.

    Windows mail is outlook express.

    Spider solitare has been improved with really annoying cards and
    highlighting and it now sucks up way more resources.

    Networking with W2K is just as bad as it was with XP. Maybe worse.

    IPv6 is enabled by default, why is beyond me, perhaps they just =
wanted to
    provide more surface area for hackers?

    The number of running services has increased to the point of being
    rediculous.

    The user whatever the hell it's called feature that questions your =
every
    command does have an off switch and I really can't believe there is =
anyone
    who won't turn it off.

    I'm going to run it for at least a couple more months but at this =
point I
    much prefer W2K or even  xp.. I sincerely believe that Vista =
was
    designed by marketing not by geeks and certainly not by anyone who =
uses a
    computer more than an hour a day.

    Geo.


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Ok fine, so why does every frelling =
windows program=20
on earth have a File Edit View menu bar then if it's not needed? Are you = slo or=20
something? You been hanging out with Kai from Kai's power tools or Paul = Bun from=20
Ultrabac that you suddenly don't understand what consistancy is? You = never used=20
File/Open or Edit/copy?
 
Is a name like OE important to
me, no I =
can deal=20
with calling it Windows Mail AGAIN, except last time the name changed it = was=20
actually a different program. Anyway, since the name isn't important, = WHY CHANGE=20
IT? Oh right, it's not paint though..
 
Number of services, I'm coming
from W2K =
not XP. I=20
have 37 services running on my W2K laptop including 3 thinkpad =
services,=20
sygate, 3 avg services,  that means 30 for windows. 69 you say, =
lets see=20
that's a 130% increase? soundcard service, drm related? how many of = these are=20
required for drm/copyprotection?
 
IPv6 running by default is totally =
un-needed on=20
most of the machines in the US, thus it increases surface area for = hacking on=20
all those machines, heck we finally got rid of netbeui and IPX and we = get stuck=20
with another unneeded protocol?  ssdp wasn't that the
first = remote=20
anon exploit for XP, have we learned nothing?
 
How the hell do I uninstall
this stupid =
windows=20
defender crap? I'm a grownup, I don't need no damn=20
babysitter.
 
Oh, I went to disable the license =
service and it=20
threatened me with reduced functionality, I disabled it anyway and guess = what,=20
no reduced functionality? Time delayed or idle threat?
 
Geo.

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:458f0097{at}w3.nls.net...
     Are you
intentionally =
blind or just=20
  trying to appear ignorant.
   
    
Regarding IE7, what is =
present on=20
  the classic menus that is not present on the new toolbar menus that is =

  necessary for IE to be usable?
   
     There
are an enormous =
number of=20
  improvements and new features both in the platform and the =
applications. =20
  If you only can see what you call "new paint" you would be blind to =
much of=20
  this.  Of what you call "new paint" there is much of this too =
none of=20
  which has the purpose you made up.
   
     Windows
Mail is the name =
for the new=20
  version of what was Outlook Express which is the name for the newer =
versions=20
  of what was Internet Mail and News.  Is the name important to=20
  you?
   
     The
number of services =
running on my=20
  Windows XP system is 60 while the number on my Windows Vista Ultimate =
system=20
  is 69.  While the number of services increased by 15% the =
number of=20
  service processes decreased from 23 to 15 or 34%.  The extra =
services=20
  provide greater granularity.  This is with my having enabled a =
number of=20
  optional services on my Windows Vista system so the decrease should be =
even=20
  greater for you.  There are also fewer ports open though most of =
these=20
  are blocked by the firewall on both systems.  Finally, the =
privilege=20
  level of the existing services has been reduced even further it was in =
Windows=20
  XP.  In other words, there is less attack
surface.
   
  Rich
   
  
    "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20
    wrote in message news:458ea6c6$1{at}w3.nls.net...So=20
    after a few days running vista on my mail laptop I've come to=20
    theconclusion that the reason Microsoft does things like turning =
off the=20
    menubar in IE7 is just to make it look different because it =
certainly=20
    isn't foradded functionality as I had to turn it back on to make =
it=20
    useable.Seems there is a lot of new paint who's
only purpose =
is to=20
    hide the factthat it's still a Windows 2000 system with not much =
new=20
    except DRM and a fewfrills and ok there are a handful of .1 =
release type=20
    improvements like taskmanager.Windows
mail is outlook=20
    express.Spider solitare has been improved with really =
annoying cards=20
    andhighlighting and it now sucks up way more=20
    resources.Networking with W2K is just as bad as it was with =
XP.=20
    Maybe worse.IPv6 is enabled by default, why is beyond me, =
perhaps=20
    they just wanted toprovide more surface area for =
hackers?The=20
    number of running services has increased to the point of=20
    beingrediculous.The user whatever the
hell it's called =
feature=20
    that questions your everycommand does have an off switch and I =
really=20
    can't believe there is anyonewho won't turn it
off.I'm =
going to=20
    run it for at least a couple more months but at this point Imuch =
prefer=20
    W2K or even <gulp> xp.. I sincerely believe that Vista =
wasdesigned=20
    by marketing not by geeks and certainly not by anyone who uses =
acomputer=20
    more than an hour a=20
day.Geo.

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