Andrew Grillet (On 09 Jul 97) was muttering to Bob Moylan
 BM> Precisely - physical punishment that if inflicted on an adult would
 BM> constitute assault with battery.
 AG> I don't use AA cells for this myself :-)
 Yea...the AAA's are the way to go ...
 AG> It appears that some people cannot tell the difference between a slap
 AG> on the wrist and various activities involving whips and leather.
 AG> Rumour has it that many of them are conservative MPs.
 If memory serves {and it doesn't always )-:} your conservative party
 has had more than it's share of "unusual" individuals...  (-8
 BM> after what _I_ consider to be a suitable period of instruction, boys
 BM> who still insist on doing it _their_ way do pushups and run laps.
 AG> This IS corporal punishment.
 I disagree...the boys have the option to refuse, I, in turn, have the
 option to "boot" them off the team.
 AG> I have been a parent for 26 years, and a grandparent for six years.
 My oldest turns 34 this month ... and the middle one (a girl) will
 make me a first time grandparent in November .... I think I could
 have waited a while longer ... time marches on and all that...
 AG> It is the parent who believes that a slap on the wrist and a
 AG> boot in the face are the same thing that is more likely to apply the
 AG> boot.
 I would imagine that day to day life in the UK is as stressful for
 many as it is here, or any other "Western" nation, some people just
 can't cope with it and take it out on their children and/or spouse.
 BM> IMNSHO far preferable to an immediate "smack" any place on the
 BM> kid's body.
 AG> I and many others choose to disagree. On some occasions it may be
 AG> preferable , on others it may not.
 Understand...that is a topic guaranteed to generate heated discussion
 on both sides of the issue.
 AG> We are in the middle of an intense political row in which the
 AG> teachers' unions are vigorously opposing the idea that teachers be
 AG> sacked just because they are incompetent.
 Understand how that goes too, we have two major teacher unions here.
 Both are on record as being opposed to retention of incompetent
 teachers but then expend huge amounts of resources to block their
 dismissal.
 AG> For making a rude face behind teacher's back to another kid in
 AG> primary school? For dropping a pencil by accident? For passing a note?
 AG> For being deliberately accused of any of the above by a another
 AG> trouble-making pupil?
 No..most, not all, but most elementary (primary) teachers understand
 that those things are going to happen and handle it on a daily basis.
 I was referring to the older kids, say from 14 on up.  Students here
 generally are in school through their 18th birthday - mandatory
 through age 16 - there are enough who don't care, who are disruptive,
 insolent etc to make it a problem that needs to be addressed much
 more firmly that is currently being done.
 AG> The problem is provision of alternative shools. No one wants to fund
 AG> them, run them, or have them located near where they live.
 Locally, (not universal across the US) the city I live in and the
 surrounding ones have alternative programs - funding built into the
 annual budget.
 AG> Incidentally I was appointed as a school govenor today - unopposed
 AG> - two vacancies, only one candidate.
 Okay are congratulations or sympathetic noises in order?
 What is a "school govenor"?  Above, below, in between a headmaster or
 what?
... Complex problems have simple, easy to understand wrong answers.
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