Hi Bjorn,

 PK> IMHO the key to 2. is solving 1., in that a VERY simple change to P4
 PK> (EG: the Nodelist entry for Fidonews) would probably have worked and
 PK> been passed IF it had been the ONLY proposed change.

 BF>    It's really interesting to hear this coming from the 
 BF> other side of the globe, since this was *exactly* what 
 BF> I tried to make all parties involved to understand -- 
 BF> to no avail!

It all goes back to my previous post, and that far too many Fidonet Sysops
take this Fidonet Hobby as a political "game", when in fact
Fidonet has absolutely NOTHING to do with Politics (I am talking REAL
Politics here, not simple Hobby alliances). 

The simple reason is that without a Commercial environment, you CAN'T have
genuine Politics (who says Politics is not about Money!), it just doesn't
work. Politics is primarily driven by financial return, so because there is
no financial incentive to a simple Hobby, any political agenda is
completely ignored by the genuine Hobbyist, IE the masses of Fidonet. Some
people have a hard time trying to understand that too...


 BF>    Just take a minimal step to have a P4.08 launched, 
 BF> and the rest would have been much easier. After that we 
 BF> could have launched 4.09, 4.10 and so on, until we 
 BF> suddenly might have had a P5.

Hmmm, I see you already have an agenda there........;-)

Cheers..........pk.


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