Hello Janis.

20 Apr 05 02:28, you wrote to me:

 >> What has either IC done to help Fidonet?

 JK> What has ANY IC done to help fidonet, say ten years before?

Okay!  Now we are making progress!  :-)  So instead of fighting over who
gets the hat why not take a vote to eliminate it?  Remove the reason for
fighting.

 >> What has the ZCC done for the last 10 years ..

 JK> Kept megalomaniacs from controlling things?  I think they have
 JK> looked at situations that developed, and dealt with them..

What megalomaniacs?  The ZCC?  :-)

 JK> .. Mouf did indeed set the wheel rolling for IONs..

And it stopped there; no progress since the initial movement.

 JK> Yes, it would be swell if Ward acknoleged IP nodes..

Nobody has acknowledged IP nodes or cares.  How can I tell?  Because there
are no standards for listing them and the topic of the day is anything but
that. Until I see it written in policy and we have a standard way for
listing them across the whole of Fidonet then they are not recognized.

 >> Why is it that the topic of the day for the ZCC is "who gets to be the
 >> IC"?

 JK> Where did you hear that? It's NEVER come up that I've seen.

That seems to be all people are talking about here and the Z1C echo.

 >> I believe this is a slap in the face to every node in Fido today.
 >> Whether the admit it or not, the coordinators at certain levels want
 >> to give the preceptio they have power and influence but the only
 >> thing they do is process the nodelist segment and fight amongst
 >> themselves.  I say we either

 JK> Oh c'mon.. you're going back at least 15 years :) At least from what
 JK> I've seen.. you started off with a good premise (ION's need to be
 JK> recognized, which some Zones do already) and then went west..

Is there a reason why you require (some) RCs to have a POTS dialup?

 JK> You cannot have progress at the IC level if people fight and argue
 JK> because one person (Ward) won't give in to the fact that he's lost an
 JK> election..

The ends will justify the means ... and .. the fighting continues.  *sigh*

 JK> If you want the ZCC to dictate to you how your zone should be handling
 JK> IONs I don't doubt that you could have that..but why? When a ZC knows
 JK> what his own zone needs and wants and takes care of it.

The ZCC has already made an interpretations that directly affect all of
Fidonet.  Sure, we can list IP nodes how *we* want and Z2 can list them how
*they* want.  And, fortunately for them, they have the R50 developers to
actually implment *their* standards in the software they use.  That means
our methods for listing will serve no functional purpose whatsoever.

Matt

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