-=> TIM RICHARDSON wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 TR> On 08-02-04, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE said to DAVID RICE:

 -=> DAVID RICE wrote to ROSS SAUER <=-

-=> Quoting Ross Sauer to Maurice Kinal <=-

>MK> I have crossed paths with people I have
 >MK> been known to call angels.

 RS> Yeah right, how many beers did they have
 RS> beforehand?

 DR> No, I believe him: I've even met a few Hell's Angels.
 DR> They really do exist!

 WC>Met a few as a kid myself.
 WC>Out came the switch blades and intimidation but I maintained
 WC>my composure and they offered me a beer!

 TR> You are a liar. A bald-faced liar. Hells Angels would not try
 TR> intimidating "a kid".

It was their idea of a joke.
It's no lie either and happened as I was crossing into Crocker Park
in Marblehead MA.

 TR> Secondly, if you were "a kid", no Hells Angel would bother with
 TR> you in the first place, and certainly would not take a chance on
 TR> a bust (which would include a body search, and search of the
 TR> immediate area of the arrest scene) for something so chickenshit
 TR> as furnishing alchoholic beverages to "a kid".

 You've GOT to be kidding.
 Marblehead has a small town police department and the Angels were 
 never at at risk of a "bust."

 When I'd left that town in 1970 there'd been exactly one murder
 in 47 years.

 Hell the Marblehead police didn't even bust people at a "Seatrain"
 concert despite woman baring their breasts and widespread open
 marijuana use in plain sight of the officers.
 
 Seatrain even released an album "Marblehead Messenger"
 after the then town newspaper and used the paper's logo as
 album cover.

 TR> Thirdly, I have met many Hells Angels over the years, and they
 TR> have little or nothing to do with `outsiders' who are not members
 TR> of some recognized outlaw club or other. 
 
Yet you've met "many Hells Angels over the years", I but one
time.

 TR> They are like the Mafia
 TR> in that respect; you would have to be really `trying' to get
 TR> intimidated by one of them, by either getting up in ones face, or
 TR> being involved in an illegal transaction with one or more of
 TR> them, and deliberately `burning' them.

No thanks.

 TR> If you are a `civilian' or a lone biker who just rides without
 TR> affiliation to an outlaw club, if you stay away from the Angels,
 TR> and not try to be a wannabe, or `groupie', they completely ignore
 TR> you.

 True for the most part of any MC.

 TR> The Angels I met over the years, and talked to or drank beer
 TR> with, were nice to `civilians'. When something was going on they
 TR> didn't want `civilians' getting mixed into, they either took it
 TR> elsewhere, or would ask the `civilians' to leave.

 Well most of my experience is with the Pagans, Satan Saints,
 Renegades and Outlaws.
 When any of the above entered a biker bar they were generally
 looking to either for members of a rival group or to trash someone 
 who caused them a problem, other than that they generally hang
 out at their clubhouses.

 TR> There are (or were) two bars that were notorious hangouts for
 TR> Angels and Mongols. Both bars saw their share of shootings
 TR> between the two clubs over the years. `Civilians' were only
 TR> involved either by accident, or they were part of something
 TR> (usually a drug deal or stolen bike parts) that one or the other
 TR> club was into and they were fighting over.

Never seen an "Angel" in Florida, never heard of the "Mongols"
at all.

 TR> You may or may not have ever met an actual Hells Angel. But they
 TR> weren't trying to "intimidate" you (it wouldn't be necessary. If
 TR> you fucked up with them deliberately, they'd just shoot you out
 TR> of hand), they wouldn't even take notice of you. And if you were
 TR> "a kid", they certainly wouldn't have furnished you with
 TR> alchohol.

Yet that's exactly what they did.
I stuck around for the one beer and moved onto where I'd been headed.

 TR> And you can forget the "switch blade knives" bullshit. Thats kid
 TR> stuff.

Didn't I say as much?
BTW do you know what echo you're in and what the echo rules are?
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