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   When someone is a bozo and can't distinguish between me, my employer, =
and the tens of thousands of other unique people also employed by the =
same company, it becomes clear that prejudice still exists.  How do you =
feel when someone tells you that your opinions are those of your =
employer, your family, your friends, that you are a man, or that you are =
an American?  I'm sure you can find people demonstrating a prejudice =
toward you for many of these.  It doesn't make it right and it = definitely
doesn't make it true.  I'm not Bruce.  I don't speak for him = and he
doesn't speak for me.  I expect we have different opinions, = likes, and
dislikes. =20

   One of my personal dislikes is when people post lies and worse still =
when they use those lies to justify subsequent statements.  Joe Barr = does
this all the time and really makes himself look bad.  He has a = following
of people that would like to believe that his lies are true.  = George is
not Joe Barr but he has lately on several occasions posted = false
statements and tried to justify subsequent statements with these.  = At
least on some of these the falsehoods have been pointed out yet = George
has continued to repeat them.  When asked to support his claims, = he
ignores the request.  That's lying.  On several such occasions I have =
given George the opportunity to back out by admitting he was wrong and =
apologizing.  Not only did he ignore this offer, he continued to repeat =
the lies.  There is no excuse for that.

   As far as opinions go, George has plenty of opinions.  I don't always =
agree as some of his are plain old silly.  Sometimes I'll reply to one = of
his posts debating or asking questions about his opinion.  You won't = see
me calling him a liar for having an opinion.  But when he crosses = the
line and starts manufacturing facts, and it's something that = interests
me, I'll call him on it.

Rich

  "David N. Barnett"  wrote in message =
news:8clj2vo9n8bvd1la82plb5d30h5vq1k0sq{at}4ax.com...
  On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:54:49 -0800, "Rich"  wrote in message
  :

  |  As for your bullshit about a "play book", this is the kind of vrap =
I expect from Mike Miller whose posting history indicates that he has a =
play book of his own and in weak defense tries to project his behavior = on
to others.

  Well, it's just that I've only seen this particular style of bullying
  from MS employees -- you and Biermann.  Biermann stopped bullying when
  he went to law school, and now appears to even have grown some
  humility and a sense of humor.  I was just wondering if there's
  something about the MS corporate culture that promotes this kind of
  reaction and particular use of language.

  --dnb
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   When
someone is a bozo and =
can't=20
distinguish between me, my employer, and the tens of thousands of other = unique=20
people also employed by the same company, it becomes clear that = prejudice still=20
exists.  How do you feel when someone tells you that your opinions = are=20
those of your employer, your family, your friends, that you are a man, = or that=20
you are an American?  I'm sure you can find people demonstrating
a=20 prejudice toward you for many of these.  It doesn't make it
right = and it=20
definitely doesn't make it true.  I'm not Bruce.  I don't
= speak for=20
him and he doesn't speak for me.  I expect we have different = opinions,=20
likes, and dislikes.  
 
   One of my
personal =
dislikes is when=20
people post lies and worse still when they use those lies to justify = subsequent=20
statements.  Joe Barr does this all the time and really makes =
himself look=20
bad.  He has a following of people that would like to believe that
= his lies=20
are true.  George is not Joe Barr but he has lately on several =
occasions=20
posted false statements and tried to justify subsequent statements with=20
these.  At least on some of these the falsehoods have been pointed
= out yet=20
George has continued to repeat them.  When asked to support his =
claims, he=20
ignores the request.  That's lying.  On several such
occasions = I have=20
given George the opportunity to back out by admitting he was wrong and=20
apologizing.  Not only did he ignore this offer, he continued to =
repeat the=20
lies.  There is no excuse for that.
 
   As far as
opinions go, =
George has=20
plenty of opinions.  I don't always agree as some of his are plain = old=20
silly.  Sometimes I'll reply to one of his posts debating or asking =

questions about his opinion.  You won't see me calling him a liar = for=20
having an opinion.  But when he crosses the line and starts =
manufacturing=20
facts, and it's something that interests me, I'll call him on =
it.
 
Rich
 

  "David N. Barnett" <d_n_b{at}swbell.net>">mailto:d_n_b{at}swbell.net">d_n_b{at}swbell.net>
wrote in =
message news:8clj2vo9n8b=
vd1la82plb5d30h5vq1k0sq{at}4ax.com...On=20
  Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:54:49 -0800, "Rich" <{at}> wrote in =
message<3e29af41{at}w3.nls.net>:|=">mailto:3e29af41{at}w3.nls.net">3e29af41{at}w3.nls.net>:|=
 =20
  As for your bullshit about a "play book", this is the kind of vrap I =
expect=20
  from Mike Miller whose posting history indicates that he has a play =
book of=20
  his own and in weak defense tries to project his behavior on to=20
  others.Well, it's just that I've only seen this particular =
style of=20
  bullyingfrom MS employees -- you and Biermann.  Biermann =
stopped=20
  bullying whenhe went to law school, and now appears to even have =
grown=20
  somehumility and a sense of humor.  I was just wondering if=20
  there'ssomething about the MS corporate culture that promotes this =
kind=20
  ofreaction and particular use of=20
language.--dnb

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