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From: "Glenn Meadows"
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So, the consultant who built and installed this machine didn't know what =
he was doing (in a nutshell). These error messages just fill up the log =
files, as there are a couple every couple of minutes. Have to see what =
impact on unplugging one of the network cables has on access to the =
server. Have to make sure things still work. If I tracert to =
nashvillefs, it reports back as 10.1.1.6. If I ping nashvillefs, it =
reports 10.1.1.7. IPconfig shows the DHCP server on 10.1.1.7.
Sounds like a Saturday project.
--=20
Glenn M.
"Rich" wrote in message news:3e30599d{at}w3.nls.net...
I don't think WINS makes a difference here. I'm fuzzy on whether =
this makes a difference. I have seen references to WINS supporting =
multiple addresses for a single NetBIOS name and some load balancing =
between the multiple addresses. I thought though that that was for a =
computer with multiple NICs on different subnets that can both be = reached
from a third subnet. Maybe not.
One comment though, WINS works fine with DHCP just like DNS. I =
would not recommend you go to static addresses for your clients. It = will
only cause you pain. The benefit of WINS is that it replaces = broadcast
name resolution with direct requests. This cuts down on = network traffic
but requires more maintainence. Humorously, the DNS = folks are moving to
fill in in the other direction with mDNS which would = support broadcast
name resolution for scenarios where centralized DNS is = impractical or
costly, like home and SOHO environments.
Rich
"Glenn Meadows" wrote in message =
news:3e3052c5{at}w3.nls.net...
Event type is Error.
We still have some relic Windows 98 systems running, on some old =
"tiny" Compaq machines, that won't really support Win2000.
How about the dreaded WINS server? On an earlier message, setting =
up HOSTS files would be a pain, as all the machines have been setup as =
DHCP, even though I could take a few hours, and move them all to static. =
Not my idea of a fun weekend day.
--=20
Glenn M.
"Rich" wrote in message news:3e2f9022{at}w3.nls.net...
An error or a warning? Two NICs trying to register the same =
NetBIOS name on the same network would have a conflict. Not all =
conflicts are errors though. I believe that a computer name conflict is =
an error.
If all your clients are Windows 2000 or later I think you can =
make the issue go away by disabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP but then you = need
to have DNS available for name resolution.
Rich
"Glenn Meadows" wrote in message =
news:3e2f7494$1{at}w3.nls.net...
The Domain controller has Dual Nics in it, each with a separate =
IP address.
10.1.1.6, 10.1.1.7 for increased bandwidth/connectivity. As you =
and I have
talked, this is presenting a problem in that there is an error =
showing up in
the System log, in that the server name shows up on both IP =
addresses, and
thinks there are two machines with the same name on the LAN. =
Anyone have a
fix/resolution for that one, or is there some other way to have =
2 NIC's in
the same machine on the same lan that does not have this error?
--
Glenn M.
"Geo." wrote in message =
news:3e2f5d23{at}w3.nls.net...
> dual homed machine?
>
> Geo.
>
> "Glenn Meadows" wrote in message
> news:3e2f38f5{at}w3.nls.net...
> I like this discussion. Rich, why at certain times in the =
middle of the
> day, I will lose access to browse the domain, BUT, form a =
command prompt,
I
> can do Net View \\server, net use \\server\resource, etc. =
When looking in
> the workgroup, I only see my local machine.
>
> Same question for a Win98 machine. I can select "Log On =
Domain", provide
> the Domain name (same as other Win98 machines on the Lan), and =
enter a
valid
> user name and password, the Domain is properly filled in, and =
get a "No
> Domain Controller was available" error message. So, I switch =
to a NON
> domain login, using the Domain name as a Workgroup. I get =
logon to the
> local machine, AND network connections that were set to =
re-connect at
logon
> re-connect (I've remapped My Documents to a network folder =
unique for each
> user), but there are NO computers visible in Network =
Neighborhood. Same
> thing though, from a command line, I can access the network =
resources.
When
> using Network Neighborhood, I get "Network unavailable".
>
> I did a full re-install of Win98se today on the current =
machine that's
> giving this problem. Using DHCP, only TCPIP loaded as a =
protocol, and set
> as the Default Protocol.
>
> Very odd.
>
> Any light that can be shed would be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Glenn M.
>
>
> "Rich" wrote in message
news:3e2f0900{at}w3.nls.net...
> You don't need or want NetBEUI. If you have no =
centralized name
server
> you should make sure that you have NetBIOS over TCP/IP =
enabled. That's it
> for protocols.
>
> For name resolution, run IPCONFIG /all on both machines =
and check the
> Node Type value. See
> =
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb%3ben-us%3b160177 and
>
=
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prjj_ipa_kop=
f.a
> sp.
>
> The network neighborhood behavior is something else. For =
that you
need
> a browser. See
>
=
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/reskit/net/chptr3.as=
p.
>
> Rich
>
> "Randall Parker" wrote
in message
> news:MPG.1898a015bc3404b998c43b{at}news.barkto.com...
> I put the Win2k machine into the same Workgroup name as =
the NT machine
> and
> rebooted. Still no joy.
>
> The guy who usually uses the Win2k machine says he's used =
it with
> network
> neighborhood. But maybe he has it configured with a =
different protocol
> for it?
>
> I went into the Win2k Network and Dial-up Connections, =
right clicked
on
> Local
> Area Connection, chose properties. There are 4 options in =
the list and
> all are
> checked:
> Client for Microsoft Networks
> File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
> 3Com BCAITDI DMI TDI
> Internet Protocol
>
> The "Client for Microsoft Networks" has a properties =
dialog that shows
> only an
> RPC Service tab with "Name service provider" as
"Windows =
Locator". The
> "Network
> address" control is greyed out.
>
> But choosing the checked "File and Printer Sharing for =
Microsoft
> Networks"
> results in the Properties button becoming greyed out. Why =
is that?
>
> Is he lacking NetBEUI protocol on the Win2k machine? Are =
there
different
> ways
> to configure Network Neighborhood using different =
underlying
protocols?
>
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:02:28 -0800 esteemed Randall Parker =
did hold
> forth
> thusly:
> > Hello. Long time no see and all that. Been blogging my =
brains out.
> > http://www.futurepundit.com if you want to see what I've =
been up to
as
> a huge
> > use of my recreational time.
> >
> > I have Win2k machine and an NT machine that I've =
plugged into a
hub.
> I see
> > lights on the hub connection and on the NICs. I figure I =
have
> electrical
> > contact at least. Now some dumb questions since its been =
a while
since
> I've
> > done this.
> >
> > 1) Do machines have to be in the same group name to see =
each other?
> > On the Win2k machine I can do a search for a computer =
by name but
> there is
> > no way to tell it to search in a different workgroup =
name. I'm
> guessing that
> > the difference in workgroup names is the cause of the =
no-see no-find
> by the two
> > computers.
> >
> > 2) WHere do you change the workgroup name in Win2k?
> >
> > 3) Can one make a Win2k machine be in two groups at =
once? If so,
how?
> >
> > 4) Is there some other command that is like netstat that =
tells more
> stuff? Or
> > should I be using netstat with some command line option? =
Isn't there
> some
> > command for seeing the NICs and their bindings? I think =
I've learned
> and
> > forgotten that command a half dozen times over the =
years.
> >
> > 5) Is there a way to know whether a ping command is =
really going out
a
> > particular NIC?
> >
> > 6) Is there a superping command that basically amounts =
to saying
"Send
> this
> > ping out this particular NIC"?
> >
> > 7) Is there a way to verify some machine's ability to =
even respond
to
> a ping in
> > the first place? How can I know if there is no ping =
response that it
> isn't just
> > because one of the machines has pings filtered in its =
firewall
> settings? I have
> > ZoneAlarm on one of them with settings I can't remember =
since its
been
> so long
> > since I messed with it. The other machine (the Win2k =
machine) was
lent
> to me
> > for a project (cool Borland C++ Builder graphics app =
that I'm
writing
> that's
> > fun to write) and I have no idea what its settings are =
for.
> >
> > 8) Any handy tools for picking apart these sorts of =
problems that I
> ought to be
> > using?
> >
>
>
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So, the consultant who built and installed this machine didn't know =
what he=20
was doing (in a nutshell). These error messages just fill up the = log=20
files, as there are a couple every couple of minutes. Have to see = what=20
impact on unplugging one of the network cables has on access to the=20
server. Have to make sure things still work.
If I = tracert to=20
nashvillefs, it reports back as 10.1.1.6. If I ping nashvillefs, = it=20
reports 10.1.1.7. IPconfig shows the DHCP server on = 10.1.1.7.
Sounds like a Saturday project.-- Glenn M.
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