RC> Hello Bob!

 RC> 09 Mar 07 00:11, you wrote to me:

 RC>>> Any politicizing you fear that takes place would still take
 RC>>> place, even if we had a fleet of carriers named USS Carrier
 RC>>> 1, USS Carrier 2, etc..

 BK>>  Not that particular form of politization. OTOH, you just
 BK>>  admitted the military is being corrupted for political purposes.

 RC> It surely isnt being corrupted, but it is under control by
 RC> our government, both by Congress and the US President, all
 RC> of which are politicians you idiot!

 And the rule was the military stays out of politics you idiot.
 The balance between the parties was the guardian of that. The
 republican party abandoned any pretense of balance and blatantly
 politicized the military.

 RC>>> When the Ford Class gets built, chances are an earlier
 RC>>> carrier will leave service, such as the Enterprise or the
 RC>>> USS John F Kennedy?

 BK>>  Which, if not necessary, is a waste of money for political
 BK>>  payoffs. In a country deep in debt and going deeper all the
 BK>>  time. The national debt load is quite possibly going to exceed
 BK>>  that of WW2 before Bush is done.

 RC> We have always retired older ships when newer ones get
 RC> built.

 No, building another carrier. That may be the waste of money. It
 wasn't too long ago the politicians were authorizing ships and
 the Navy was saying we don't need them. Seems the administration
 has replaced anyone who thinks independently.

 RC> It is said that CVN 77 will probably remain in service all
 RC> the way up to 2053.

 Then wait 10 years to build it and have it in service until
 2063.

 BK>>  Honor, recognition, politics. With Bush Jr sending off a ship
 BK>>  honoring his father, nepotism in reverse?

 RC> Prove he had anything to do with its naming, you cant of
 RC> course.

 Prove that he didn't.

 Prove that the republican party didn't do it for political
 purposes.

 RC>>> Whom a ship is named after has no bearing on the missions
 RC>>> it is sent to perform, you think otherwise, again a
 RC>>> reflection of your inferior intelligence.

 BK>>  Your non-sequitor is a reflection of your inferior intelligence,
 BK>>  and lack of integrity. Whether it has no bearing on the mission,
 BK>>  if it is not of any significance what is the purpose of naming
 BK>>  them after anyone?

 RC> Uh what does it matter, does the name curtail any mission
 RC> the ship will be called upon to do?

 That one was answered before.

 OTOH, if it doesn't, then name one the Lyndon B. Johnson, since
 he was a "war president" before any of the current crop.

 RC>>> As was H W Bush.

 BK>>  No more than any other pilot in that war. Or any other combat
 BK>>  soldier.

 RC> His service accomplishments beat that of any active
 RC> Democrat you are in love with, and H W Bush didnt throw his
 RC> medals over a fence.

 Do you have some sort of romantic attachment to GHW Bush? Or GW
 Bush? That's the only reason I can think of you keep harping on
 being in love with any politician. There is only one politician
 I support with a clear conscience, Marcy Kaptur, my
 congresswoman. All the others are the lesser of two evils.

 However, John McCain was a far better office than GHWB. Max
 Cleland sacrificed more, and won a higher decoration for
 courage. Kerry's Silver Star is a higher decoration. Oh, and the
 DFC is also awarded for achievement, which means it may be
 higher ranked than the Bronze star, but the Bronze star with V
 is for battle. I didn't know until now, Murtha also was awarded
 the Distinguished Service Medal, which is higher than the Silver
 Star.

 And there are over 100 veterans in the congress, 25 combat vets,
 all of who deserve more respect that Bush JR. Yet that doesn't
 diminish your love for the Shrub.

 Hell, even my State Senator, Theresa Fedor, is a vet and she
 managed to show up every day she was supposed to.

 So don't try that great hero BS and loving a politician BS until
 you renounce GW Bush.

 Now, back the GHWB. Still nothing in his record to justify
 naming any ship after him, not even a tugboat. Certainly not a
 major vessel.

 RC> Did Bush singlehandedly sink a Japaness Carrier
 RC> battlegroup, hell no, but your beloved Kerry didnt come
 RC> close to anything he did, yet you will recognize Kerry's
 RC> service and dismiss Bushes out of hand..

 You share the republican tendency to exagerate to the extreme
 either way. Kerry did serve with distinction. He did lead his
 people into the enemie's fire against conventional procedure and
 changed the tactics for river battle. He did risk his life to
 save others.

 Yet I would not favor naming a ship after him, even had he won
 the presidency.

 I do not "dismiss" GHW Bush's service, I dismiss your hero
 worship of him. He was no greater than any other pilot in those
 battles as far as has been shown, nor any worse. He just doesn't
 deserve the honor of an Aircraft Carrier named after him.

 Just as a forinstance, as long as there are Medal of Honor
 winners who haven't got a major ship named after them, no
 politician should get one.

 RC> This is typical for you sick liberal idiots.

 That is typical of you sick right wing idiots. Notice I don't
 say conservative.

 BK>>>>  Would today's congress authorize a Nimitz class carrier named
 BK>>>>  Lincoln? Would Bush push it?

 RC>>> There is a NIMITZ Class Carrier named the USS Abraham
 RC>>> Lincoln you fucking idiot.

 BK>>  Was that authorized recently, you fucking idiot? Was Bush the
 BK>>  one who asked for it?

 RC> It was the fifth carrier of its class, commisioned in 1989.

 And it was begun before Bush I's term as president. Now, would
 Bush II have any carrier named after Lincoln?

 RC> When I began this thread, I provided a list of all of the
 RC> Nimitz Class Carriers, the fact that you missed it is
 RC> telling.

 The fact that you can't understand that the Lincoln was
 authorized by a previous congress and administration and today
 it probably would be named after a living politician of much
 less importance is even more telling.

 RC>>> You are a typical liberal, dumb as a brick.

 BK>>  You are a typical conservative, dumb as a brick and nasty as a
 BK>>  viper.

 RC> Is this all you got?

 Hell, look at the sappy BS you spew. You are not even capable of
 thinking beyond your shallow and short sighted prejudices.


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