From: "Glenn Meadows" 

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I like this discussion.  Rich, why at certain times in the middle of the =
day, I will lose access to browse the domain, BUT, form a command = prompt,
I can do Net View \\server, net use \\server\resource, etc.  = When looking
in the workgroup, I only see my local machine.

Same question for a Win98 machine.  I can select "Log On Domain",
= provide the Domain name (same as other Win98 machines on the Lan), and =
enter a valid user name and password, the Domain is properly filled in, =
and get a "No Domain Controller was available" error message. 
So, I = switch to a NON domain login, using the Domain name as a Workgroup.
 I = get logon to the local machine, AND network connections that were set
to = re-connect at logon re-connect (I've remapped My Documents to a
network = folder unique for each user), but there are NO computers visible
in = Network Neighborhood.  Same thing though, from a command line, I can =
access the network resources.  When using Network Neighborhood, I get =
"Network unavailable".

I did a full re-install of Win98se today on the current machine that's =
giving this problem.  Using DHCP, only TCPIP loaded as a protocol, and =
set as the Default Protocol.

Very odd.

Any light that can be shed would be appreciated.

TIA

--=20
Glenn M.


  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e2f0900{at}w3.nls.net...
     You don't need or want NetBEUI.  If you have no centralized name =
server you should make sure that you have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.  =
That's it for protocols.

     For name resolution, run IPCONFIG /all on both machines and check =
the Node Type value.  See =
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb%3ben-us%3b160177 and =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prjj_ipa_kop=
f.asp.

     The network neighborhood behavior is something else.  For that you =
need a browser.  See =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/reskit/net/chptr3.as=
p.

  Rich

    "Randall Parker"  wrote in message =
news:MPG.1898a015bc3404b998c43b{at}news.barkto.com...
    I put the Win2k machine into the same Workgroup name as the NT =
machine and=20
    rebooted. Still no joy.=20

    The guy who usually uses the Win2k machine says he's used it with =
network=20
    neighborhood. But maybe he has it configured with a different =
protocol for it?=20

    I went into the Win2k Network and Dial-up Connections, right clicked =
on Local=20
    Area Connection, chose properties. There are 4 options in the list =
and all are=20
    checked:
       Client for Microsoft Networks
       File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
       3Com BCAITDI DMI TDI
       Internet Protocol

    The "Client for Microsoft Networks" has a properties dialog that =
shows only an=20
    RPC Service tab with "Name service provider" as "Windows
Locator". =
The "Network=20
    address" control is greyed out.=20

    But choosing the checked "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft =
Networks"=20
    results in the Properties button becoming greyed out. Why is that?

    Is he lacking NetBEUI protocol on the Win2k machine? Are there =
different ways=20
    to configure Network Neighborhood using different underlying =
protocols?

    On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:02:28 -0800 esteemed Randall Parker did hold =
forth=20
    thusly:
    > Hello. Long time no see and all that. Been blogging my brains out. =

    > http://www.futurepundit.com if you want to see what I've been up =
to as a huge=20
    > use of my recreational time.=20
    >=20
    > I have  Win2k machine and an NT machine that I've plugged into a =
hub. I see=20
    > lights on the hub connection and on the NICs. I figure I have =
electrical=20
    > contact at least. Now some dumb questions since its been a while =
since I've=20
    > done this.
    >=20
    > 1) Do machines have to be in the same group name to see each =
other?
    >    On the Win2k machine I can do a search for a computer by name =
but there is=20
    > no way to tell it to search in a different workgroup name. I'm =
guessing that=20
    > the difference in workgroup names is the cause of the no-see =
no-find by the two=20
    > computers.
    >=20
    > 2) WHere do you change the workgroup name in Win2k?
    >=20
    > 3) Can one make a Win2k machine be in two groups at once? If so, =
how?
    >=20
    > 4) Is there some other command that is like netstat that tells =
more stuff? Or=20
    > should I be using netstat with some command line option? Isn't =
there some=20
    > command for seeing the NICs and their bindings? I think I've =
learned and=20
    > forgotten that command a half dozen times over the years.
    >=20
    > 5) Is there a way to know whether a ping command is really going =
out a=20
    > particular NIC?=20
    >=20
    > 6) Is there a superping command that basically amounts to saying =
"Send this=20
    > ping out this particular NIC"?
    >=20
    > 7) Is there a way to verify some machine's ability to even respond =
to a ping in=20
    > the first place? How can I know if there is no ping response that =
it isn't just=20
    > because one of the machines has pings filtered in its firewall =
settings? I have=20
    > ZoneAlarm on one of them with settings I can't remember since its =
been so long=20
    > since I messed with it. The other machine (the Win2k machine) was =
lent to me=20
    > for a project (cool Borland C++ Builder graphics app that I'm =
writing that's=20
    > fun to write) and I have no idea what its settings are for.=20
    >=20
    > 8) Any handy tools for picking apart these sorts of problems that =
I ought to be=20
    > using?
    >
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I like this discussion.  Rich, why at certain times in the =
middle of=20
the day, I will lose access to browse the domain, BUT, form a command = prompt, I=20
can do Net View \\server;, net use \\server\resource;,
etc.  When = looking=20
in the workgroup, I only see my local machine.
 
Same question for a Win98 machine.  I can select "Log On =
Domain",=20
provide the Domain name (same as other Win98 machines on the Lan), and = enter a=20
valid user name and password, the Domain is properly filled in, and get = a
"No=20
Domain Controller was available" error message.  So, I switch
to a = NON=20
domain login, using the Domain name as a Workgroup.  I get logon to = the=20
local machine, AND network connections that were set to re-connect at = logon=20
re-connect (I've remapped My Documents to a network folder unique for = each=20
user), but there are NO computers visible in Network =
Neighborhood. =20
Same thing though, from a command line, I can access the network=20
resources.  When using Network Neighborhood, I get
"Network=20 unavailable".
 
I did a full re-install of Win98se today on the current machine =
that's=20
giving this problem.  Using DHCP, only TCPIP loaded as a protocol,
= and set=20
as the Default Protocol.
 
Very odd.
 
Any light that can be shed would be appreciated.
 
TIA
-- Glenn M.
 
 

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3e2f0900{at}w3.nls.net...
     You
don't need or want=20
  NetBEUI.  If you have no centralized name server you should make =
sure=20
  that you have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.  That's it for=20
  protocols.
   
     For
name resolution, run =
IPCONFIG=20
  /all on both machines and check the Node Type value.  See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb%3ben-us%3b160=
177">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb%3ben-us%3b160177=
 and=20
  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prjj=
_ipa_kopf.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk=
it/prjj_ipa_kopf.asp.
   
     The
network neighborhood =
behavior is=20
  something else.  For that you need a browser.  See http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/reskit/net/c=
hptr3.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/reskit/ne=
t/chptr3.asp.
   
  Rich
   
  
    "Randall Parker" <rgparker{at}west.net>">mailto:rgparker{at}west.net">rgparker{at}west.net>
wrote in =
message=20
    news:MPG.1898a01=
5bc3404b998c43b{at}news.barkto.com...I=20
    put the Win2k machine into the same Workgroup name as the NT machine =
and=20
    rebooted. Still no joy. The guy who
usually uses the =
Win2k=20
    machine says he's used it with network neighborhood. But maybe =
he has it=20
    configured with a different protocol for it? I went
into the =
Win2k=20
    Network and Dial-up Connections, right clicked on Local Area =
Connection,=20
    chose properties. There are 4 options in the list and all are=20
    checked:   Client for Microsoft =
Networks  =20
    File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks   3Com =
BCAITDI=20
    DMI TDI   Internet
ProtocolThe "Client for =
Microsoft=20
    Networks" has a properties dialog that shows only an RPC Service =
tab=20
    with "Name service provider" as "Windows Locator".
The "Network =
address"=20
    control is greyed out. But choosing the checked
"File and =
Printer=20
    Sharing for Microsoft Networks" results in the Properties button =

    becoming greyed out. Why is that?Is he lacking NetBEUI =
protocol on=20
    the Win2k machine? Are there different ways to configure Network =

    Neighborhood using different underlying
protocols?On Wed, 22 =
Jan=20
    2003 11:02:28 -0800 esteemed Randall Parker did hold forth=20
    thusly:> Hello. Long time no see and all that. Been =
blogging my=20
    brains out. > http://www.futurepundit.com;">http://www.futurepundit.comhttp://www.futurepundit.com">http://www.futurepundit.com;
=
if you=20
    want to see what I've been up to as a huge > use of my =
recreational=20
    time. > > I have  Win2k
machine and an NT machine =
that=20
    I've plugged into a hub. I see > lights on the hub connection =
and on=20
    the NICs. I figure I have electrical > contact at least. Now =
some=20
    dumb questions since its been a while since I've > done =
this.>=20
    > 1) Do machines have to be in the same group name to see =
each=20
    other?>    On the Win2k
machine I can do a =
search for=20
    a computer by name but there is > no way to tell it to search =
in a=20
    different workgroup name. I'm guessing that > the difference =
in=20
    workgroup names is the cause of the no-see no-find by the two =
>=20
    computers.> > 2) WHere do you change
the workgroup =
name in=20
    Win2k?> > 3) Can one make a Win2k
machine be in two =
groups at=20
    once? If so, how?> > 4) Is there some
other command =
that is=20
    like netstat that tells more stuff? Or > should I be using =
netstat=20
    with some command line option? Isn't there some > command for =
seeing=20
    the NICs and their bindings? I think I've learned and > =
forgotten=20
    that command a half dozen times over the years.>
> 5) =
Is there=20
    a way to know whether a ping command is really going out a >=20
    particular NIC? > > 6) Is there a
superping command =
that=20
    basically amounts to saying "Send this > ping out this =
particular=20
    NIC"?> > 7) Is there a way to
verify some machine's =
ability to=20
    even respond to a ping in > the first place? How can I know =
if there=20
    is no ping response that it isn't just > because one of the =
machines=20
    has pings filtered in its firewall settings? I have > =
ZoneAlarm on=20
    one of them with settings I can't remember since its been so long =
>=20
    since I messed with it. The other machine (the Win2k machine) was =
lent to me=20
    > for a project (cool Borland C++ Builder graphics app that =
I'm=20
    writing that's > fun to write) and I have no idea what its =
settings=20
    are for. > > 8) Any handy tools for
picking apart =
these sorts=20
    of problems that I ought to be >=20
using?>

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