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   You don't need or want NetBEUI.  If you have no centralized name =
server you should make sure that you have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.  =
That's it for protocols.

   For name resolution, run IPCONFIG /all on both machines and check the =
Node Type value.  See =
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb%3ben-us%3b160177 and =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prjj_ipa_kop=
f.asp.

   The network neighborhood behavior is something else.  For that you =
need a browser.  See =
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/reskit/net/chptr3.as=
p.

Rich

  "Randall Parker"  wrote in message =
news:MPG.1898a015bc3404b998c43b{at}news.barkto.com...
  I put the Win2k machine into the same Workgroup name as the NT machine =
and=20
  rebooted. Still no joy.=20

  The guy who usually uses the Win2k machine says he's used it with =
network=20
  neighborhood. But maybe he has it configured with a different protocol =
for it?=20

  I went into the Win2k Network and Dial-up Connections, right clicked =
on Local=20
  Area Connection, chose properties. There are 4 options in the list and =
all are=20
  checked:
     Client for Microsoft Networks
     File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
     3Com BCAITDI DMI TDI
     Internet Protocol

  The "Client for Microsoft Networks" has a properties dialog that shows =
only an=20
  RPC Service tab with "Name service provider" as "Windows
Locator". The =
"Network=20
  address" control is greyed out.=20

  But choosing the checked "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft =
Networks"=20
  results in the Properties button becoming greyed out. Why is that?

  Is he lacking NetBEUI protocol on the Win2k machine? Are there =
different ways=20
  to configure Network Neighborhood using different underlying =
protocols?

  On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:02:28 -0800 esteemed Randall Parker did hold =
forth=20
  thusly:
  > Hello. Long time no see and all that. Been blogging my brains out.=20
  > http://www.futurepundit.com if you want to see what I've been up to =
as a huge=20
  > use of my recreational time.=20
  >=20
  > I have  Win2k machine and an NT machine that I've plugged into a =
hub. I see=20
  > lights on the hub connection and on the NICs. I figure I have =
electrical=20
  > contact at least. Now some dumb questions since its been a while =
since I've=20
  > done this.
  >=20
  > 1) Do machines have to be in the same group name to see each other?
  >    On the Win2k machine I can do a search for a computer by name but =
there is=20
  > no way to tell it to search in a different workgroup name. I'm =
guessing that=20
  > the difference in workgroup names is the cause of the no-see no-find =
by the two=20
  > computers.
  >=20
  > 2) WHere do you change the workgroup name in Win2k?
  >=20
  > 3) Can one make a Win2k machine be in two groups at once? If so, =
how?
  >=20
  > 4) Is there some other command that is like netstat that tells more =
stuff? Or=20
  > should I be using netstat with some command line option? Isn't there =
some=20
  > command for seeing the NICs and their bindings? I think I've learned =
and=20
  > forgotten that command a half dozen times over the years.
  >=20
  > 5) Is there a way to know whether a ping command is really going out =
a=20
  > particular NIC?=20
  >=20
  > 6) Is there a superping command that basically amounts to saying =
"Send this=20
  > ping out this particular NIC"?
  >=20
  > 7) Is there a way to verify some machine's ability to even respond =
to a ping in=20
  > the first place? How can I know if there is no ping response that it =
isn't just=20
  > because one of the machines has pings filtered in its firewall =
settings? I have=20
  > ZoneAlarm on one of them with settings I can't remember since its =
been so long=20
  > since I messed with it. The other machine (the Win2k machine) was =
lent to me=20
  > for a project (cool Borland C++ Builder graphics app that I'm =
writing that's=20
  > fun to write) and I have no idea what its settings are for.=20
  >=20
  > 8) Any handy tools for picking apart these sorts of problems that I =
ought to be=20
  > using?
  >
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   You don't
need or want =
NetBEUI. =20
If you have no centralized name server you should make sure that you = have=20
NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled.  That's it for
protocols.
 
   For name
resolution, run =
IPCONFIG /all=20
on both machines and check the Node Type value.  See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb%3ben-us%3b160=
177">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb%3ben-us%3b160177=
 and=20
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prjj=
_ipa_kopf.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/resk=
it/prjj_ipa_kopf.asp.
 
   The
network neighborhood =
behavior is=20
something else.  For that you need a browser.  See
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/reskit/net/c=
hptr3.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/reskit/ne=
t/chptr3.asp.
 
Rich
 

  "Randall Parker" <rgparker{at}west.net>">mailto:rgparker{at}west.net">rgparker{at}west.net>
wrote in =
message news:MPG.1898a01=
5bc3404b998c43b{at}news.barkto.com...I=20
  put the Win2k machine into the same Workgroup name as the NT machine =
and=20
  rebooted. Still no joy. The guy who usually
uses the Win2k =
machine=20
  says he's used it with network neighborhood. But maybe he has it=20
  configured with a different protocol for it? I went into the =
Win2k=20
  Network and Dial-up Connections, right clicked on Local Area =
Connection,=20
  chose properties. There are 4 options in the list and all are=20
  checked:   Client for Microsoft =
Networks  =20
  File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks   3Com =
BCAITDI=20
  DMI TDI   Internet
ProtocolThe "Client for =
Microsoft=20
  Networks" has a properties dialog that shows only an RPC Service =
tab with=20
  "Name service provider" as "Windows Locator". The
"Network =
address"=20
  control is greyed out. But choosing the checked
"File and =
Printer=20
  Sharing for Microsoft Networks" results in the Properties button =
becoming=20
  greyed out. Why is that?Is he lacking NetBEUI protocol on the =
Win2k=20
  machine? Are there different ways to configure Network =
Neighborhood using=20
  different underlying protocols?On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:02:28 =
-0800=20
  esteemed Randall Parker did hold forth
thusly:> Hello. Long =
time no=20
  see and all that. Been blogging my brains out. > http://www.futurepundit.com;">http://www.futurepundit.comhttp://www.futurepundit.com">http://www.futurepundit.com;
=
if you want=20
  to see what I've been up to as a huge > use of my recreational =
time.=20
  > > I have  Win2k machine and
an NT machine that =
I've=20
  plugged into a hub. I see > lights on the hub connection and on =
the=20
  NICs. I figure I have electrical > contact at least. Now some =
dumb=20
  questions since its been a while since I've > done =
this.>=20
  > 1) Do machines have to be in the same group name to see each=20
  other?>    On the Win2k
machine I can do a =
search for a=20
  computer by name but there is > no way to tell it to search in =
a=20
  different workgroup name. I'm guessing that > the difference in =

  workgroup names is the cause of the no-see no-find by the two > =

  computers.> > 2) WHere do you change
the workgroup name =
in=20
  Win2k?> > 3) Can one make a Win2k
machine be in two =
groups at=20
  once? If so, how?> > 4) Is there some
other command that =
is like=20
  netstat that tells more stuff? Or > should I be using netstat =
with some=20
  command line option? Isn't there some > command for seeing the =
NICs and=20
  their bindings? I think I've learned and > forgotten that =
command a=20
  half dozen times over the years.> > 5)
Is there a way to =
know=20
  whether a ping command is really going out a > particular NIC? =
>=20
  > 6) Is there a superping command that basically amounts to =
saying=20
  "Send this > ping out this particular
NIC"?> > 7) =
Is=20
  there a way to verify some machine's ability to even respond to a ping =
in=20
  > the first place? How can I know if there is no ping response =
that it=20
  isn't just > because one of the machines has pings filtered in =
its=20
  firewall settings? I have > ZoneAlarm on one of them with =
settings I=20
  can't remember since its been so long > since I messed with it. =
The=20
  other machine (the Win2k machine) was lent to me > for a =
project (cool=20
  Borland C++ Builder graphics app that I'm writing that's > fun =
to=20
  write) and I have no idea what its settings are for. >
> =
8) Any=20
  handy tools for picking apart these sorts of problems that I ought to =
be=20
  >
using?>

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