From: "Robert Comer" 

> I agree, however, the tactic is an extension of the one that I've seen
> MS sales reps use in meetings.   They pick a person in the meeting,
> and then ridicule him/her because they don't toe the MS line.  In
> effect the MS sales rep tries to create a target within the company to
> weaken the alternative opinion.

I'm lucky, the MS sales reps haven't come around here.

> I didn't like that, and it definitely started to turn me against
> Microsoft.  The odd aspect of that meeting was that going into the
> meeting I was, what I would now call, a Microsoft cheerleader.  But
> Microsoft convinced me I was erroneous in my thinking.

I don't think they realize that eventually they'll tick off more people
than they convince...

- Bob Comer


"Mike '/m'"  wrote in message
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>
> I agree, however, the tactic is an extension of the one that I've seen
> MS sales reps use in meetings.   They pick a person in the meeting,
> and then ridicule him/her because they don't toe the MS line.  In
> effect the MS sales rep tries to create a target within the company to
> weaken the alternative opinion.
>
> I didn't like that, and it definitely started to turn me against
> Microsoft.  The odd aspect of that meeting was that going into the
> meeting I was, what I would now call, a Microsoft cheerleader.  But
> Microsoft convinced me I was erroneous in my thinking.
>
>  /m
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:41:48 -0500, "Robert Comer"
>  wrote:
>
> >> While there may not be an actual "play book", I
remain unconvinced
> >> that no coordination of tactics occurs.  Indeed, such coordination is
> >> standard operating procedure in PR departments -- you have to be sure
> >> you put up a united front in what you say.
> >
> >If so they have their playbook wrong, calling everyone liars doesn't buy
> >them anything for me, and, in fact, turns me against them big time.
> >
> >- Bob Comer
> >
> >
> >"Mike '/m'"  wrote in message
> >news:j2el2vs3haqqocr896hklc0stj8eipr0bf{at}4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:34:01 -0600, David N. Barnett
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:54:49 -0800, "Rich"
 wrote in message
> >> >:
> >> >
> >> >|  As for your bullshit about a "play book",
this is the kind of vrap
I
> >expect from Mike Miller whose posting history indicates that he has a
play
> >book of his own and in weak defense tries to project his behavior on to
> >others.
> >> >
> >> >Well, it's just that I've only seen this particular style
of bullying
> >> >from MS employees -- you and Biermann.  Biermann stopped
bullying when
> >> >he went to law school, and now appears to even have grown some
> >> >humility and a sense of humor.  I was just wondering if there's
> >> >something about the MS corporate culture that promotes this kind of
> >> >reaction and particular use of language.
> >>
> >> It wasn't just the two you cite.  Microsoft used to
"assign" a
> >> caretaker to the Canopus forum on CompuServe, sort of a
> >> MSIP-in-residence.  The tactics that they all used were remarkably
> >> similar.
> >>
> >> While there may not be an actual "play book", I
remain unconvinced
> >> that no coordination of tactics occurs.  Indeed, such coordination is
> >> standard operating procedure in PR departments -- you have to be sure
> >> you put up a united front in what you say.
> >>
> >>
> >>  /m
> >>
> >
>

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