From: Mike '/m' 


Yeah... I've had that happen to me also.  (why do I attract these sales
types?)   An IBM sales dude went over my head to my boss (Exec
VP of D&B) and complained that I wasn't giving IBM a fair evaluation in
my project.

My boss went over the sales dude's head and ripped his boss an extra
analpore.  Never saw that sales rep again.

(I was suggesting the use of MS LAN Manager instead of IBM's version.)

 /m


On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:02:45 -0600, "Randy H"
 wrote:

>How does the old IBM line go, Phil:
>
>"One of your employees is about to make a bad decision."?
>
>
>"Mike '/m'"  wrote in message
>news:chml2v894kkmpijb6r5gp2a0mbnc2pnjqt{at}4ax.com...
>>
>> I agree, however, the tactic is an extension of the one that I've seen
>> MS sales reps use in meetings.   They pick a person in the meeting,
>> and then ridicule him/her because they don't toe the MS line.  In
>> effect the MS sales rep tries to create a target within the company to
>> weaken the alternative opinion.
>>
>> I didn't like that, and it definitely started to turn me against
>> Microsoft.  The odd aspect of that meeting was that going into the
>> meeting I was, what I would now call, a Microsoft cheerleader.  But
>> Microsoft convinced me I was erroneous in my thinking.
>>
>>  /m
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:41:48 -0500, "Robert Comer"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >> While there may not be an actual "play book", I
remain unconvinced
>> >> that no coordination of tactics occurs.  Indeed, such
coordination is
>> >> standard operating procedure in PR departments -- you
have to be sure
>> >> you put up a united front in what you say.
>> >
>> >If so they have their playbook wrong, calling everyone liars doesn't buy
>> >them anything for me, and, in fact, turns me against them big time.
>> >
>> >- Bob Comer
>> >
>> >
>> >"Mike '/m'"  wrote in message
>> >news:j2el2vs3haqqocr896hklc0stj8eipr0bf{at}4ax.com...
>> >> On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:34:01 -0600, David N. Barnett
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:54:49 -0800, "Rich"
 wrote in message
>> >> >:
>> >> >
>> >> >|  As for your bullshit about a "play
book", this is the kind of vrap
>I
>> >expect from Mike Miller whose posting history indicates that he has a
>play
>> >book of his own and in weak defense tries to project his behavior on to
>> >others.
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, it's just that I've only seen this particular
style of bullying
>> >> >from MS employees -- you and Biermann.  Biermann
stopped bullying when
>> >> >he went to law school, and now appears to even have grown some
>> >> >humility and a sense of humor.  I was just wondering if there's
>> >> >something about the MS corporate culture that
promotes this kind of
>> >> >reaction and particular use of language.
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't just the two you cite.  Microsoft used to
"assign" a
>> >> caretaker to the Canopus forum on CompuServe, sort of a
>> >> MSIP-in-residence.  The tactics that they all used were remarkably
>> >> similar.
>> >>
>> >> While there may not be an actual "play book", I
remain unconvinced
>> >> that no coordination of tactics occurs.  Indeed, such
coordination is
>> >> standard operating procedure in PR departments -- you
have to be sure
>> >> you put up a united front in what you say.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  /m
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

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