PE>> Basically, there's not many people left here, and in addition,
 PE>> those two echos may effectively be cut when I "go internet".
 PE>> But then, maybe some of those people will start polling me
 PE>> also, for the "internet side", in which case they will be
 PE>> back.

 BL> What does this mean?

 PE> I thought that was a good explanation (even on rereading).

  I still don't know what it means (even on rereading). Do you intend
to cut LOCUSER and AVTECH? How will I communicate with the AVTechers
if I stay with you? Do you intend to link yourself back into AVT on
Fido?

  Could you make it clear what this "new" net means? Will it carry
existing Fido echoes like AVT or not?

  Personally, I don't give a shit how I get mail, and I would prefer
to go Internet-technology now... as long as I can keep talking to the
original AVTechers. I agree that Fido is a dying technology, but if
you make a *sudden* break to create a new net with its own echoes on
new software, you will end up talking to yourself. If LOCUSER is cut,
most of us will switch to the original Fido-AVT... just to keep
continuity.

 BL> I thought your idea was to set up an alternate net with you as
 BL> the hub... trading internet-type packets so we can either poll
 BL> you or an ISP direct for LOCUSER (or maybe AVT-reborn)?

 PE> That is mostly correct. Although you won't necessarily have the
 PE> option of polling an ISP for LOCUSER, you may need to poll me,
 PE> or John T, or someone else in the "new net". It's only the
 PE> existing newsgroups (such as comp.lang.c) which you can choose
 PE> either way. 

  The is the big hole in your logic, Paul. You *have* to make either
AVT or LOCUSER (or equivalent) available in one UNIVERSAL technology
(either Fido or the Internet) PLUS your new net, or we will lose most
of the punters. There has to be a way to get AVT or LOCUSER separate
from the new net, so that those who do not want to join your new net
can still keep talking. I mean, why would anyone in Tassie want to
call *you*, when they can call their local Fido or ISP? Isn't that the
idea behind the new net: local hubs linked by the internet interstate
and internationally?

  My intention is to continue talking to the original AVTechers. I can
do that through LOCUSER in the short term, but if you cut LOCUSER I
have to go back to AVT... on Fido.

  I thought your intention was to upload LOCUSER and a few Fido echoes
to the Internet, basically free or for a nominal charge in your spare
ISP time. Can't you upload to an ISP? I understand that AVT would be
called something different on the Internet, but isn't it possible to
carry existing Fido echoes on the Internet? 

 PE> I won't cut you. I will require you to change software though.

  I expect that in the short-term.

  Will you be running straight Internet ISP standards, or Fido, or
PE-standards, or what? From the little I understand so far, it seems
that each ISP has its own standard: its own handshake, its own
UNIX-wank way to call up mail, even its own compression and zmodem!

 BL> Where can I get details of the Internet dialog equivalent to
 BL> the Fido Wazoo hello? 

 PE> At this very moment, I don't know. I am fairly certain that it
 PE> will be called RFC-something, but that's all I know at the
 PE> moment. 

  Me too... I've read everything on your board, and everything I can
get off the PCUG, and it's as clear as mud.

 PE> You may need to use someone else's software in the short term
 PE> though. Even I'm doing that. I'll replace it once I have a
 PE> running system.
 PE> I'll see if I can get the specs for you.

  I *love* RFC-822... a 100K file, to describe a header! The average
novel is only 500K. Uni-wankers are absolutely fabulous.

Regards,
Bob
  
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