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echo: locsysop
to: Brenton Vettoretti
from: Paul Edwards
date: 1995-02-17 08:23:58
subject: bink delays

BV> No it's not. Telix displays a message prompting you to press any jey
 BV> when it has made a connection. If you press a key then you are
 BV> immediately on-line. There is NO WAY to get around this unless you
 BV> want to patch Telix. 
 
After such a bold assertion, I decided to try it out myself, and
dialed Paragon, a BBS where I have a linked script.  There was
NO CONNECT BOX when I connected, it went straight into the script.
From distant memory, I think when I originally started writing 
logon scripts I used to add an "alarm" function to the end of
them to wake me up when I had logged on.
 
 PE>> Well, Zmodem has it's foot in the door now, which means when
 PE>> that is expanded a bit, the FTS-4 negotiation is simple enough,
 PE>> and I can have a completely "C" version of the Devil Dialer,
 PE>> and thus TinyPoint. Are you interested in trying that out when
 PE>> I have it ready?
 BL>> Yair!

 BV> Sucker :)

Some people have an interest in science.

 BL>> That too... there is a fairly long wait after the upload, before
 BL>> Telix moves on to the download. Brenton puts something like: "Now
 BL>> we'll see if there is any fucking stuff for us..." on the
screen, and
 BL>> it waits 3 seconds (say) before that happens. Then it waits another
 BL>> couple of seconds before it actually starts.

 BV> That is Pauls end. I _think_ that Pauls end is also responsible for
 BV> the wait which we see sometimes before the transfer to us completes.

I don't know about the bit on the end, I haven't looked at that 
yet, but there is more to the 2*3-second delays than just "blame
Paul", as you can see by people using Binkley, there is no 
delay like you see with Tinypoint.  I think the problem is more
likely to be with Binkley et al using Zmodem-extensions...

+ 17 Feb 00:41:00 BINK begin, BinkleyTerm-OS/2 Ver. 2.50 -uSoft6.0
  17 Feb 00:41:03 BINK dropping dtr
# 17 Feb 00:43:07 BINK RING
# 17 Feb 00:43:07 BINK ATA
# 17 Feb 00:43:20 BINK CONNECT 14400 EC/V42BIS
  17 Feb 00:43:20 BINK reliable connect
  17 Feb 00:43:20 BINK mnp filter started
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK exiting filter with char f1
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK mnp filter finished
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK got carrier
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK Receive sync starting
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK in IdleWait, peek is F1
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK informing human to hit esc
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK received yoohoo (0xf1)
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK wazoo session
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK sent ENQ (0x05)
* 17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK TestPoint                                  (3:711/934.7)
* 17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK Remote Uses Fido Version 0.00
: 17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK Sysop: Brenton Vettoretti 
* 17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK Password-protected session
  17 Feb 00:43:21 BINK Received Hello Packet (128 + 2)
  17 Feb 00:43:22 BINK Received ENQ (0x05)
  17 Feb 00:43:22 BINK Sent Hello Packet (128 + 2)
: 17 Feb 00:43:22 BINK WaZOO method: ZedZip
  17 Feb 00:43:22 BINK about to call get_Zmodem
  17 Feb 00:43:22 BINK about to init + receive
+ 17 Feb 00:43:29 BINK CPS: 1625 (9754 bytes)  Efficiency: 112%
+ 17 Feb 00:43:29 BINK Received-Z/32 C:\Binkley\Inbound\Prot\00000000.pkt
  17 Feb 00:43:30 BINK about to call send_WaZOO
  17 Feb 00:43:30 BINK in Send_Zmodem
  17 Feb 00:43:30 BINK ZRQINIT sent
  17 Feb 00:43:35 BINK finished ZS_GetReceiverInfo
  17 Feb 00:43:35 BINK Sending ZFILE
  17 Feb 00:43:36 BINK pausing on block 0 to fix Spirit bug
+ 17 Feb 00:43:46 BINK CPS: 1384 (15231 bytes)  Efficiency: 96%
+ 17 Feb 00:43:46 BINK Sent-Z/32 c:\binkley\Outbound\02c703a6.pnt\0000fff9.th1
  17 Feb 00:43:46 BINK File c:\binkley\Outbound\02c703a6.pnt\0000fff9.th1 truncated
  17 Feb 00:43:46 BINK in Send_Zmodem
  17 Feb 00:43:46 BINK Sending ZFILE
  17 Feb 00:43:46 BINK pausing on block 0 to fix Spirit bug
+ 17 Feb 00:43:49 BINK CPS: 1040 (3120 bytes)  Efficiency: 72%
+ 17 Feb 00:43:49 BINK Sent-Z/32 c:\binkley\Outbound\02c703a6.pnt\0000fff9.fr0
  17 Feb 00:43:49 BINK File c:\binkley\Outbound\02c703a6.pnt\0000fff9.fr0 truncated
  17 Feb 00:43:49 BINK in Send_Zmodem
* 17 Feb 00:43:49 BINK End of WaZOO Session
  17 Feb 00:43:49 BINK session over, hanging up
  17 Feb 00:43:50 BINK dropping dtr
: 17 Feb 00:43:59 BINK Exit after receiving mail with errorlevel 70
+ 17 Feb 00:43:59 BINK end, BinkleyTerm-OS/2 Ver. 2.50 -uSoft6.0
  17 Feb 00:43:59 BINK dropping dtr
  17 Feb 00:44:01 BINK dropping dtr

+ 17 Feb 07:32:25 BINK begin, BinkleyTerm-OS/2 Ver. 2.50 -uSoft6.0
  17 Feb 07:32:28 BINK dropping dtr
# 17 Feb 07:33:28 BINK RING
# 17 Feb 07:33:28 BINK ATA
# 17 Feb 07:33:41 BINK CONNECT 14400 EC/V42BIS
  17 Feb 07:33:41 BINK reliable connect
  17 Feb 07:33:41 BINK mnp filter started
  17 Feb 07:33:44 BINK mnp filter finished
  17 Feb 07:33:44 BINK got carrier
  17 Feb 07:33:44 BINK Receive sync starting
  17 Feb 07:33:44 BINK in IdleWait, peek is FFFF
  17 Feb 07:33:45 BINK in IdleWait, peek is FFFF
  17 Feb 07:33:45 BINK in IdleWait, peek is FFFF
  17 Feb 07:33:45 BINK in IdleWait, peek is FFFF
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK in IdleWait, peek is 11
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK in IdleWait, peek is D
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK informing human to hit esc
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK received CR
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK informing human to hit esc
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK received other character ffff (.)
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK received yoohoo (0xf1)
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK wazoo session
  17 Feb 07:33:46 BINK sent ENQ (0x05)
* 17 Feb 07:33:47 BINK Systems Design (3:711/934.10{at}fidonet)
* 17 Feb 07:33:47 BINK Remote Uses BinkleyTerm Version 2.59
: 17 Feb 07:33:47 BINK Sysop: John Logothetis
* 17 Feb 07:33:47 BINK Password-protected session
  17 Feb 07:33:47 BINK Received Hello Packet (128 + 2)
  17 Feb 07:33:47 BINK Received ENQ (0x05)
  17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK Sent Hello Packet (128 + 2)
: 17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK WaZOO method: ZedZap
  17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK about to call get_Zmodem
  17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK about to init + receive
  17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK about to call send_WaZOO
  17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK in Send_Zmodem
  17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK ZRQINIT sent
  17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK finished ZS_GetReceiverInfo
  17 Feb 07:33:48 BINK Sending ZFILE
  17 Feb 07:33:49 BINK pausing on block 0 to fix Spirit bug
+ 17 Feb 07:37:41 BINK CPS: 1640 (382145 bytes)  Efficiency: 113%
+ 17 Feb 07:37:41 BINK Sent-Z/32 c:\binkley\Outbound\02c703a6.pnt\0000fff6.fr1
  17 Feb 07:37:41 BINK File c:\binkley\Outbound\02c703a6.pnt\0000fff6.fr1 truncated
  17 Feb 07:37:42 BINK in Send_Zmodem
* 17 Feb 07:37:42 BINK End of WaZOO Session
  17 Feb 07:37:42 BINK session over, hanging up
  17 Feb 07:37:42 BINK dropping dtr

@EOT:

--- Mksmsg
* Origin: none (3:711/934.9)

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