From: John Cuccia 

Fuck off, asshole.

I believe that your personal attitudes very accurately reflect the
environment that surrounds you, that being life at Microsoft.

Nevertheless, I sincerely hope that your boss doesn't believe that he is
just tossing out buzzwords when he speaks of security, but I fear that he
does.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:43:54 -0800, "Rich"  wrote:

>   Being a brainless twit again unable to distinguish between me and a large
corporation.  Grow a brain and try again.
>
>Rich
>
>  "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
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>  Quite frankly, I am amazed    The fact that you consider "stable" and
>  "secure" to be buzzwords speaks volumes about you (and, by extension,
>  Microsoft).  No wonder you guys continue to put out buggy, insecure
>  product.  You just don't care.
>
>  On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:26:15 -0800, "Rich"  wrote:
>
>  >   Why not toss out a bunch of other buzz words, mom, and apple pie too?
You still won't get everyone to agree.
>  >
>  >Rich
>  >
>  >  "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
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>  >  You don't think everyone wants a process that produces stable, secure
>  >  systems?
>  >
>  >  The fact is, MS does not thoroughly test QFEs. That lack of testing
>  >  has led to the release of patches that break systems, making people
>  >  very reluctant to trust the update du jour.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:25:38 -0800, "Rich"  wrote:
>  >
>  >  >   "For all" is a problem.  You won't find that
everyone wants the same
thing.
>  >  >
>  >  >Rich
>  >  >  "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
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>  >  >  Yes he was, but he was trying to suggest a solution for all. (and
that's what we need!)
>  >  >
>  >  >  - Bob Comer
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >    "Rich"  wrote in message
news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...
>  >  >       George was going on about Slapper at Microsoft.  You
can rant on
other topics if you want but it makes no difference.
>  >  >
>  >  >       I also gree that George's conclusions are unsupported by his
premise and argument but since the premise was false, the rest falls apart anyway.
>  >  >
>  >  >    Rich
>  >  >
>  >  >      "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...
>  >  >      I don't think i'd agree with it being a false premise, at least
for a
>  >  >      majority of us users out here -- products are on CD
and the copy
protection
>  >  >      is that activation crap and the product key.
>  >  >
>  >  >      Anyway, i don't see what he is saying would work either, most
people don't
>  >  >      have the bandwidth to be downloading a CD everytime
they want to
do an
>  >  >      install...
>  >  >
>  >  >      - Bob Comer
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >      "Rich"  wrote in message
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>  >  >         From below, that installs are from CD and that the
products are
copy
>  >  >      protected.  His full rant probably contains more.
>  >  >
>  >  >      Rich
>  >  >
>  >  >      "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>  >  >      news:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>  >  >      What false premise?
>  >  >
>  >  >      - Bob Comer
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >      "Rich"  wrote in message
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>  >  >         The first problem with George's rant is that it is
based on a
false
>  >  >      premise.
>  >  >
>  >  >      Rich
>  >  >
>  >  >      "Antti Kurenniemi"
 wrote in message
>  >  >      news:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...
>  >  >      That really sounds likea a good idea. Unfortunately I think it
will probably
>  >  >      never happen :-(
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >      Antti Kurenniemi
>  >  >
>  >  >      "Geo."  wrote in message
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>  >  >      > yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that a
big part of the
>  >  >      > problem with how they are dealing with this problem is
>  >  >      > actually related to copy protection. One of the
things that
>  >  >      > causes all these unpatched machines to continuously be
>  >  >      > available is that people are always doing new
>  >  >      > installs/re-installs for whatever reasons. They are forced
>  >  >      > to use the original CD which of course contains unpatched
>  >  >      > code, then apply service pack and lord knows how many
>  >  >      > hot fixes.[snip]

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