From: John Cuccia 

Nope.  He couldn't possibly equate QFE with mom and apple pie, eh?


On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:51:02 -0600, "Ronnie T. Mungo, Boy Genius"
 wrote:

>I think he was refering to "QFE." At least, I hope so! 
>
>
>
>RTM, BG
>"John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>news:s50h3v4ieopijnlr6evodeoduf4nh3pifp{at}4ax.com...
>> Quite frankly, I am amazed    The fact that you consider
"stable" and
>> "secure" to be buzzwords speaks volumes about you (and,
by extension,
>> Microsoft).  No wonder you guys continue to put out buggy, insecure
>> product.  You just don't care.
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:26:15 -0800, "Rich"  wrote:
>>
>> >   Why not toss out a bunch of other buzz words, mom, and apple pie too?
>You still won't get everyone to agree.
>> >
>> >Rich
>> >
>> >  "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>news:9lug3v0k0hki3uuu16nh08i5caec2nardv{at}4ax.com...
>> >  You don't think everyone wants a process that produces stable, secure
>> >  systems?
>> >
>> >  The fact is, MS does not thoroughly test QFEs. That lack of testing
>> >  has led to the release of patches that break systems, making people
>> >  very reluctant to trust the update du jour.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:25:38 -0800, "Rich"  wrote:
>> >
>> >  >   "For all" is a problem.  You won't find
that everyone wants the
>same thing.
>> >  >
>> >  >Rich
>> >  >  "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >  >  Yes he was, but he was trying to suggest a solution
for all. (and
>that's what we need!)
>> >  >
>> >  >  - Bob Comer
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >  >    "Rich"  wrote in message
news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >  >       George was going on about Slapper at Microsoft. 
You can rant
>on other topics if you want but it makes no difference.
>> >  >
>> >  >       I also gree that George's conclusions are
unsupported by his
>premise and argument but since the premise was false, the rest falls apart
>anyway.
>> >  >
>> >  >    Rich
>> >  >
>> >  >      "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >  >      I don't think i'd agree with it being a false
premise, at least
>for a
>> >  >      majority of us users out here -- products are on
CD and the copy
>protection
>> >  >      is that activation crap and the product key.
>> >  >
>> >  >      Anyway, i don't see what he is saying would work
either, most
>people don't
>> >  >      have the bandwidth to be downloading a CD
everytime they want to
>do an
>> >  >      install...
>> >  >
>> >  >      - Bob Comer
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >  >      "Rich"  wrote in message
news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >  >         From below, that installs are from CD and that
the products
>are copy
>> >  >      protected.  His full rant probably contains more.
>> >  >
>> >  >      Rich
>> >  >
>> >  >      "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>> >  >      news:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >  >      What false premise?
>> >  >
>> >  >      - Bob Comer
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >  >      "Rich"  wrote in message
news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >  >         The first problem with George's rant is that it
is based on a
>false
>> >  >      premise.
>> >  >
>> >  >      Rich
>> >  >
>> >  >      "Antti Kurenniemi"
 wrote in
>message
>> >  >      news:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >  >      That really sounds likea a good idea.
Unfortunately I think it
>will probably
>> >  >      never happen :-(
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >  >      Antti Kurenniemi
>> >  >
>> >  >      "Geo."  wrote in message
>news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >  >      > yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that
a big part of
>the
>> >  >      > problem with how they are dealing with this problem is
>> >  >      > actually related to copy protection. One of
the things that
>> >  >      > causes all these unpatched machines to continuously be
>> >  >      > available is that people are always doing new
>> >  >      > installs/re-installs for whatever reasons.
They are forced
>> >  >      > to use the original CD which of course
contains unpatched
>> >  >      > code, then apply service pack and lord knows how many
>> >  >      > hot fixes.[snip]
>>
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