From: "Robert Comer" 

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>   And yet you will still never get everyone to agree on what they =
mean.  We have had this debate here many many times.  Safe from what?  =
Secure against what?  Stable in what respect?<

I don't think so, they are pretty well defined concepts.=20

>   It's all a red herring anyway.  Despite John's delusions, I had no =
problem with my computers even with MSDE installed.  Why, because I'm =
more competent than John must believe himself to be.  Lot's of people =
are.  If John is not one of them he shouldn't go blaming anyone else.<

It'd be nice that everyone that had MSDE could say that.

For instance I know for sure that none of the MSDE desktops I control = are
patched against this worm.  (The worm can't get to them because of = what I
have between them and the internet, but if someone were to = release it
inside my firewall...)

- Bob Comer


  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e38918e{at}w3.nls.net...
     And yet you will still never get everyone to agree on what they =
mean.  We have had this debate here many many times.  Safe from what?  =
Secure against what?  Stable in what respect?

     It's all a red herring anyway.  Despite John's delusions, I had no =
problem with my computers even with MSDE installed.  Why, because I'm =
more competent than John must believe himself to be.  Lot's of people =
are.  If John is not one of them he shouldn't go blaming anyone else.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3e388d3e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Safe, secure, and stable are pretty much universal Rich...

    - Bob Comer


      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e3860ed{at}w3.nls.net...
         "For all" is a problem.  You won't find that everyone wants the =
same thing.

      Rich
        "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...
        Yes he was, but he was trying to suggest a solution for all. =
(and that's what we need!)

        - Bob Comer


          "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...
             George was going on about Slapper at Microsoft.  You can =
rant on other topics if you want but it makes no difference.

             I also gree that George's conclusions are unsupported by =
his premise and argument but since the premise was false, the rest falls =
apart anyway.

          Rich

            "Robert Comer"  wrote
in message =
news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...
            I don't think i'd agree with it being a false premise, at =
least for a
            majority of us users out here -- products are on CD and the =
copy protection
            is that activation crap and the product key.

            Anyway, i don't see what he is saying would work either, =
most people don't
            have the bandwidth to be downloading a CD everytime they =
want to do an
            install...

            - Bob Comer


            "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...
               From below, that installs are from CD and that the =
products are copy
            protected.  His full rant probably contains more.

            Rich

            "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
            news:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
            What false premise?

            - Bob Comer


            "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...
               The first problem with George's rant is that it is based =
on a false
            premise.

            Rich

            "Antti Kurenniemi"
 wrote in =
message
            news:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...
            That really sounds likea a good idea. Unfortunately I think =
it will probably
            never happen :-(


            Antti Kurenniemi

            "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...
            > yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that a big part =
of the
            > problem with how they are dealing with this problem is
            > actually related to copy protection. One of the things =
that
            > causes all these unpatched machines to continuously be
            > available is that people are always doing new
            > installs/re-installs for whatever reasons. They are forced
            > to use the original CD which of course contains unpatched
            > code, then apply service pack and lord knows how many
            > hot fixes.[snip]


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>   And yet=20
you will still never get everyone to agree on what they mean.  We
= have had=20
this debate here many many times.  Safe from what? 
Secure = against=20
what?  Stable in what respect?<
 
I don't think so, they are pretty well =
defined=20
concepts. 
 
>   It's all a=20 red herring
anyway.  Despite John's delusions, I had no problem = with my=20
computers even with MSDE installed.  Why, because I'm more =
competent than=20
John must believe himself to be.  Lot's of people are. 
If = John is not=20
one of them he shouldn't go blaming anyone
else.<
 
It'd be nice that everyone that had =
MSDE could say=20
that.
 
For instance I know for sure that none =
of the MSDE=20
desktops I control are patched against this worm.  (The worm can't
= get to=20
them because of what I have between them and the internet, but if = someone were=20
to release it inside my firewall...)
 
- Bob Comer
 
 

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3e38918e{at}w3.nls.net...
     And yet
you will still =
never get=20
  everyone to agree on what they mean.  We have had this debate =
here many=20
  many times.  Safe from what?  Secure against what?  =
Stable in=20
  what respect?
   
     It's
all a red herring =
anyway. =20
  Despite John's delusions, I had no problem with my computers even with =
MSDE=20
  installed.  Why, because I'm more competent than John must =
believe=20
  himself to be.  Lot's of people are.  If John is not one of =
them he=20
  shouldn't go blaming anyone else.
   
  Rich
   
  

    "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote=20
    in message news:3e388d3e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Safe, secure, and stable
are pretty =
much=20
    universal Rich...
     
    - Bob Comer
     
     
    

      "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3e3860ed{at}w3.nls.net...
        
"For all" is a =
problem. =20
      You won't find that everyone wants the same thing.
       
      Rich
      

        "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
        wrote in message news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...
        Yes he was, but he was trying =
to suggest a=20
        solution for all. (and that's what we need!)
         
        - Bob
Comer
         
         
        

          "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...
            
George was going =
on about=20
          Slapper at Microsoft.  You can rant on other topics if =
you want=20
          but it makes no difference.
           
            
I also gree that =
George's=20
          conclusions are unsupported by his premise and argument but =
since the=20
          premise was false, the rest falls apart anyway.
           
          Rich
           
          
            "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
            wrote in message news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...I
=

            don't think i'd agree with it being a false premise, at =
least for=20
            amajority of us users out here -- products are on CD and =
the=20
            copy protectionis that activation crap and the product=20
            key.Anyway, i don't see what he is saying
would work =
either,=20
            most people don'thave the bandwidth to be downloading a =
CD=20
            everytime they want to do
aninstall...- Bob=20
            Comer"Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
            From below, that installs are from CD and that the products =
are=20
            copyprotected.  His full rant probably contains=20
            more.Rich"Robert
Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
            wrote in messagenews:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
What=20
            false premise?- Bob
Comer"Rich" =
<{at}> wrote=20
            in message news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
            The first problem with George's rant is that it is based on =
a=20
           
falsepremise.Rich"Antti
Kurenniemi" =
<Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com=">mailto:Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com">Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com=
>=20
            wrote in messagenews:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...That=
=20
            really sounds likea a good idea. Unfortunately I think it =
will=20
            probablynever happen :-(Antti=20
            Kurenniemi"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
            message news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...>=
=20
            yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that a big part of=20
            the> problem with how they are dealing with this =
problem=20
            is> actually related to copy protection. One of the =
things=20
            that> causes all these unpatched machines to =
continuously=20
            be> available is that people are always doing =
new>=20
            installs/re-installs for whatever reasons. They are =
forced>=20
            to use the original CD which of course contains =
unpatched>=20
            code, then apply service pack and lord knows how =
many> hot=20
            =
fixes.[snip]<=
/BLOCKQUOTE>

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