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   And yet you will still never get everyone to agree on what they mean. =
 We have had this debate here many many times.  Safe from what?  Secure =
against what?  Stable in what respect?

   It's all a red herring anyway.  Despite John's delusions, I had no =
problem with my computers even with MSDE installed.  Why, because I'm =
more competent than John must believe himself to be.  Lot's of people =
are.  If John is not one of them he shouldn't go blaming anyone else.

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3e388d3e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Safe, secure, and stable are pretty much universal Rich...

  - Bob Comer


    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e3860ed{at}w3.nls.net...
       "For all" is a problem.  You won't find that everyone wants the =
same thing.

    Rich
      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...
      Yes he was, but he was trying to suggest a solution for all. (and =
that's what we need!)

      - Bob Comer


        "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...
           George was going on about Slapper at Microsoft.  You can rant =
on other topics if you want but it makes no difference.

           I also gree that George's conclusions are unsupported by his =
premise and argument but since the premise was false, the rest falls = apart anyway.

        Rich

          "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...
          I don't think i'd agree with it being a false premise, at =
least for a
          majority of us users out here -- products are on CD and the =
copy protection
          is that activation crap and the product key.

          Anyway, i don't see what he is saying would work either, most =
people don't
          have the bandwidth to be downloading a CD everytime they want =
to do an
          install...

          - Bob Comer


          "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...
             From below, that installs are from CD and that the products =
are copy
          protected.  His full rant probably contains more.

          Rich

          "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
          news:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          What false premise?

          - Bob Comer


          "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...
             The first problem with George's rant is that it is based on =
a false
          premise.

          Rich

          "Antti Kurenniemi" 
wrote in =
message
          news:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...
          That really sounds likea a good idea. Unfortunately I think it =
will probably
          never happen :-(


          Antti Kurenniemi

          "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...
          > yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that a big part of =
the
          > problem with how they are dealing with this problem is
          > actually related to copy protection. One of the things that
          > causes all these unpatched machines to continuously be
          > available is that people are always doing new
          > installs/re-installs for whatever reasons. They are forced
          > to use the original CD which of course contains unpatched
          > code, then apply service pack and lord knows how many
          > hot fixes.[snip]


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   And yet
you will still =
never get=20
everyone to agree on what they mean.  We have had this debate here = many=20
many times.  Safe from what?  Secure against
what?  = Stable in=20
what respect?
 
   It's all
a red herring =
anyway. =20
Despite John's delusions, I had no problem with my computers even with = MSDE=20
installed.  Why, because I'm more competent than John must believe
= himself=20
to be.  Lot's of people are.  If John is not one of them
he = shouldn't=20
go blaming anyone else.
 
Rich
 

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:3e388d3e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Safe, secure, and stable are pretty =
much=20
  universal Rich...
   
  - Bob Comer
   
   
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3e3860ed{at}w3.nls.net...
      
"For all" is a =
problem.  You=20
    won't find that everyone wants the same thing.
     
    Rich
    

      "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
      wrote in message news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...
      Yes he was, but he was trying to =
suggest a=20
      solution for all. (and that's what we need!)
       
      - Bob
Comer
       
       
      

        "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...
          
George was going =
on about=20
        Slapper at Microsoft.  You can rant on other topics if you =
want but=20
        it makes no difference.
         
           I
also gree that =
George's=20
        conclusions are unsupported by his premise and argument but =
since the=20
        premise was false, the rest falls apart anyway.
         
        Rich
         
        
          "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
          wrote in message news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...I
=

          don't think i'd agree with it being a false premise, at least =
for=20
          amajority of us users out here -- products are on CD and =
the copy=20
          protectionis that activation crap and the product=20
          key.Anyway, i don't see what he is saying would work =
either,=20
          most people don'thave the bandwidth to be downloading a CD =

          everytime they want to do
aninstall...- Bob=20
          Comer"Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
          From below, that installs are from CD and that the products =
are=20
          copyprotected.  His full rant probably contains=20
          more.Rich"Robert
Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
          wrote in messagenews:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
What=20
          false premise?- Bob
Comer"Rich" <{at}> =
wrote in=20
          message news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
          The first problem with George's rant is that it is based on a=20
         
falsepremise.Rich"Antti
Kurenniemi" <Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com=">mailto:Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com">Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com=
>=20
          wrote in messagenews:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...That=
=20
          really sounds likea a good idea. Unfortunately I think it will =

          probablynever happen :-(Antti =
Kurenniemi"Geo."=20
          <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
          message news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...>=
=20
          yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that a big part of=20
          the> problem with how they are dealing with this =
problem=20
          is> actually related to copy protection. One of the =
things=20
          that> causes all these unpatched machines to =
continuously=20
          be> available is that people are always doing =
new>=20
          installs/re-installs for whatever reasons. They are =
forced> to=20
          use the original CD which of course contains unpatched> =
code,=20
          then apply service pack and lord knows how many> hot=20
          =
fixes.[snip]<=
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