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   Being a brainless twit again unable to distinguish between me and a =
large corporation.  Grow a brain and try again.

Rich

  "John Cuccia"  wrote in message =
news:s50h3v4ieopijnlr6evodeoduf4nh3pifp{at}4ax.com...
  Quite frankly, I am amazed    The fact that you consider "stable" and
  "secure" to be buzzwords speaks volumes about you (and, by extension,
  Microsoft).  No wonder you guys continue to put out buggy, insecure
  product.  You just don't care.

  On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:26:15 -0800, "Rich"  wrote:

  >   Why not toss out a bunch of other buzz words, mom, and apple pie =
too?  You still won't get everyone to agree.
  >
  >Rich
  >
  >  "John Cuccia"  wrote in message =
news:9lug3v0k0hki3uuu16nh08i5caec2nardv{at}4ax.com...
  >  You don't think everyone wants a process that produces stable, =
secure
  >  systems?=20
  >
  >  The fact is, MS does not thoroughly test QFEs. That lack of testing
  >  has led to the release of patches that break systems, making people
  >  very reluctant to trust the update du jour.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >  On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:25:38 -0800, "Rich"  wrote:
  >
  >  >   "For all" is a problem.  You won't find that
everyone wants the =
same thing.
  >  >
  >  >Rich
  >  >  "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message =
news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  >  Yes he was, but he was trying to suggest a solution for all. =
(and that's what we need!)
  >  >
  >  >  - Bob Comer
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >    "Rich"  wrote in message
news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  >       George was going on about Slapper at Microsoft.  You can =
rant on other topics if you want but it makes no difference.
  >  >
  >  >       I also gree that George's conclusions are unsupported by =
his premise and argument but since the premise was false, the rest falls =
apart anyway.
  >  >
  >  >    Rich
  >  >
  >  >      "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message =
news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  >      I don't think i'd agree with it being a false premise, at =
least for a
  >  >      majority of us users out here -- products are on CD and the =
copy protection
  >  >      is that activation crap and the product key.
  >  >
  >  >      Anyway, i don't see what he is saying would work either, =
most people don't
  >  >      have the bandwidth to be downloading a CD everytime they =
want to do an
  >  >      install...
  >  >
  >  >      - Bob Comer
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >      "Rich"  wrote in message
news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  >         From below, that installs are from CD and that the =
products are copy
  >  >      protected.  His full rant probably contains more.
  >  >
  >  >      Rich
  >  >
  >  >      "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
  >  >      news:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  >      What false premise?
  >  >
  >  >      - Bob Comer
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >      "Rich"  wrote in message
news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  >         The first problem with George's rant is that it is based =
on a false
  >  >      premise.
  >  >
  >  >      Rich
  >  >
  >  >      "Antti Kurenniemi"
 wrote in =
message
  >  >      news:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  >      That really sounds likea a good idea. Unfortunately I think =
it will probably
  >  >      never happen :-(
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >      Antti Kurenniemi
  >  >
  >  >      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  >      > yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that a big part =
of the
  >  >      > problem with how they are dealing with this problem is
  >  >      > actually related to copy protection. One of the things =
that
  >  >      > causes all these unpatched machines to continuously be
  >  >      > available is that people are always doing new
  >  >      > installs/re-installs for whatever reasons. They are forced
  >  >      > to use the original CD which of course contains unpatched
  >  >      > code, then apply service pack and lord knows how many
  >  >      > hot fixes.[snip]

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   Being a
brainless twit =
again unable to=20
distinguish between me and a large corporation.  Grow a brain and = try=20
again.
 
Rich
 

  "John Cuccia" <jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com>">mailto:jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com">jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com>
wrote =
in message=20
  news:s50h3v4ieop=
ijnlr6evodeoduf4nh3pifp{at}4ax.com...Quite=20
  frankly, I am amazed    The fact that you consider =
"stable"=20
  and"secure" to be buzzwords speaks volumes about you
(and, by=20
  extension,Microsoft).  No wonder you guys continue to put out =
buggy,=20
  insecureproduct.  You just don't
care.On Wed, 29 Jan =
2003=20
  17:26:15 -0800, "Rich" <{at}>
wrote:>   Why =
not toss=20
  out a bunch of other buzz words, mom, and apple pie too?  You =
still won't=20
  get everyone to
agree.>>Rich>> 
"John =
Cuccia"=20
  <jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com>">mailto:jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com">jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:9lug3v0k0hk=
i3uuu16nh08i5caec2nardv{at}4ax.com...> =20
  You don't think everyone wants a process that produces stable,=20
  secure>  systems?
>>  The fact is, MS =
does not=20
  thoroughly test QFEs. That lack of testing>  has led to =
the=20
  release of patches that break systems, making people>  =
very=20
  reluctant to trust the update du=20
 
jour.>>>>> 
On Wed, 29 Jan =
2003=20
  15:25:38 -0800, "Rich" <{at}>
wrote:>>  =
>  =20
  "For all" is a problem.  You won't find that everyone
wants the =
same=20
  thing.>  >> 
>Rich>  =
> =20
  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...>=
 =20
  >  Yes he was, but he was trying to suggest a solution for =
all. (and=20
  that's what we need!)> 
>>  >  - =
Bob=20
  Comer>  >> 
>> =20
  >    "Rich" <{at}>
wrote in message news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...>=
 =20
  >      
George was going on about =
Slapper at=20
  Microsoft.  You can rant on other topics if you want but it makes =
no=20
  difference.>  >> =20
  >       I
also gree that George's =
conclusions=20
  are unsupported by his premise and argument but since the premise was =
false,=20
  the rest falls apart anyway.> 
>> =20
  >    Rich> 
>> =20
  >      "Robert
Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...>=
 =20
  >      I don't think
i'd agree with it =
being a=20
  false premise, at least for a>  =
>     =20
  majority of us users out here -- products are on CD and the copy=20
  protection> 
>      is that =
activation=20
  crap and the product key.> 
>> =20
  >      Anyway, i
don't see what he is =
saying would=20
  work either, most people don't> =20
  >      have the
bandwidth to be =
downloading a CD=20
  everytime they want to do an>  =
>     =20
  install...>  >>  =
>     =20
  - Bob Comer> 
>> 
>> =20
  >     
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message =
news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
> =20
 
>        
From below, that =
installs=20
  are from CD and that the products are copy> =20
  >     
protected.  His full rant =
probably=20
  contains more.>  >> =20
  >     
Rich>  =
>> =20
  >      "Robert
Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message> 
>      news:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
> =20
  >      What false
premise?> =20
  >> 
>      - Bob=20
  Comer>  >> 
>> =20
  >     
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message =
news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
> =20
 
>        
The first problem =
with=20
  George's rant is that it is based on a false> =20
  >     
premise.>  =
>> =20
  >     
Rich>  =
>> =20
  >      "Antti
Kurenniemi" <Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com=">mailto:Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com">Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com=
>=20
  wrote in message> 
>      news:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...>=
 =20
  >      That really
sounds likea a good =
idea.=20
  Unfortunately I think it will probably> =20
  >      never happen
:-(> =20
  >>  >>  =
>      Antti=20
  Kurenniemi>  >>  =
>     =20
  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...>=
 =20
  >      > yes I
read all about it. It =
occurs to=20
  me that a big part of the>  =
>     =20
  > problem with how they are dealing with this problem =
is> =20
  >      >
actually related to copy =
protection.=20
  One of the things that>  =
>      >=20
  causes all these unpatched machines to continuously
be> =20
  >      >
available is that people are =
always=20
  doing new> 
>      >=20
  installs/re-installs for whatever reasons. They are =
forced> =20
  >      > to
use the original CD which =
of course=20
  contains unpatched> 
>      =
> code,=20
  then apply service pack and lord knows how many> =20
  >      > hot=20
fixes.[snip]

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