Hi John,

 JB> How do I create a window whose frame does not include a client
 JB> area (ie, just a titlebar and menu)?

I Don't know for what purpose you need just the frame, but an option would
be creating a window using WinCreateStdWindow(), and NOT to fill the client
area with CLR_PALEGRAY during a WM_PAINT. This gives you a transparent
client window, in which you can still paint.

Another option would be (not tested)
     #define ID_MYFRAME 1
 
     HWND hwndFrame;
     hwndFrame = WinCreateWindow(
         HWND_DESKTOP,
         WC_FRAME,    
         (PSZ) NULL,
         WS_VISIBLE,
         10, 10,  100, 100,  /* Position & Size   */
         HWND_DESKTOP, 
         HWND_TOP,   
         ID_MYFRAME, 
         NULL, 
         NULL);

 JB> Barring that, how do I find the height of a titlebar and menu?

I would say: subclass it to get it's hwnd if neccesary, and do a
WinQueryWindowRect();

Bye, Johan.

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