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   Why not toss out a bunch of other buzz words, mom, and apple pie too? =
 You still won't get everyone to agree.

Rich

  "John Cuccia"  wrote in message =
news:9lug3v0k0hki3uuu16nh08i5caec2nardv{at}4ax.com...
  You don't think everyone wants a process that produces stable, secure
  systems?=20

  The fact is, MS does not thoroughly test QFEs. That lack of testing
  has led to the release of patches that break systems, making people
  very reluctant to trust the update du jour.




  On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:25:38 -0800, "Rich"  wrote:

  >   "For all" is a problem.  You won't find that everyone wants the =
same thing.
  >
  >Rich
  >  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...
  >  Yes he was, but he was trying to suggest a solution for all. (and =
that's what we need!)
  >
  >  - Bob Comer
  >
  >
  >    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...
  >       George was going on about Slapper at Microsoft.  You can rant =
on other topics if you want but it makes no difference.
  >
  >       I also gree that George's conclusions are unsupported by his =
premise and argument but since the premise was false, the rest falls = apart anyway.
  >
  >    Rich
  >
  >      "Robert Comer"  wrote
in message =
news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...
  >      I don't think i'd agree with it being a false premise, at least =
for a
  >      majority of us users out here -- products are on CD and the =
copy protection
  >      is that activation crap and the product key.
  >
  >      Anyway, i don't see what he is saying would work either, most =
people don't
  >      have the bandwidth to be downloading a CD everytime they want =
to do an
  >      install...
  >
  >      - Bob Comer
  >
  >
  >      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >         From below, that installs are from CD and that the products =
are copy
  >      protected.  His full rant probably contains more.
  >
  >      Rich
  >
  >      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
  >      news:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >      What false premise?
  >
  >      - Bob Comer
  >
  >
  >      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >         The first problem with George's rant is that it is based on =
a false
  >      premise.
  >
  >      Rich
  >
  >      "Antti Kurenniemi"
 wrote in =
message
  >      news:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...
  >      That really sounds likea a good idea. Unfortunately I think it =
will probably
  >      never happen :-(
  >
  >
  >      Antti Kurenniemi
  >
  >      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...
  >      > yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that a big part of =
the
  >      > problem with how they are dealing with this problem is
  >      > actually related to copy protection. One of the things that
  >      > causes all these unpatched machines to continuously be
  >      > available is that people are always doing new
  >      > installs/re-installs for whatever reasons. They are forced
  >      > to use the original CD which of course contains unpatched
  >      > code, then apply service pack and lord knows how many
  >      > hot fixes.[snip]

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   Why not
toss out a bunch =
of other buzz=20
words, mom, and apple pie too?  You still won't get everyone to=20
agree.
 
Rich
 

  "John Cuccia" <jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com>">mailto:jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com">jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com>
wrote =
in message=20
  news:9lug3v0k0hk=
i3uuu16nh08i5caec2nardv{at}4ax.com...You=20
  don't think everyone wants a process that produces stable, =
securesystems?=20
  The fact is, MS does not thoroughly test QFEs. That lack of=20
  testinghas led to the release of patches that break systems, =
making=20
  peoplevery reluctant to trust the update du =
jour.On=20
  Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:25:38 -0800, "Rich" <{at}>=20
  wrote:>   "For
all" is a problem.  You won't =
find=20
  that everyone wants the same
thing.>>Rich> 
=
"Robert=20
  Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:3e3833d2{at}w3.nls.net...>=
 =20
  Yes he was, but he was trying to suggest a solution for all. (and =
that's what=20
  we need!)>>  - Bob=20
 
Comer>>>   
"Rich" <{at}> wrote =
in=20
  message news:3e381f62{at}w3.nls.net...>=
      =20
  George was going on about Slapper at Microsoft.  You can rant on =
other=20
  topics if you want but it makes no=20
 
difference.>>      
I also =
gree=20
  that George's conclusions are unsupported by his premise and argument =
but=20
  since the premise was false, the rest falls apart=20
  anyway.>>   =20
 
Rich>>     
"Robert Comer" =
<bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:3e3808c2{at}w3.nls.net...>=
     =20
  I don't think i'd agree with it being a false premise, at least for=20
  a>     
majority of us users out here =
--=20
  products are on CD and the copy=20
 
protection>     
is that activation =
crap and=20
  the product
key.>>     
Anyway, =
i don't=20
  see what he is saying would work either, most people=20
  don't>     
have the bandwidth to be=20
  downloading a CD everytime they want to do=20
  an>     =20
 
install...>>     
- Bob=20
 
Comer>>>     
"Rich" =
<{at}>=20
  wrote in message news:3e3805ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>        =20
  From below, that installs are from CD and that the products are=20
  copy>     
protected.  His full =
rant=20
  probably contains
more.>>     =20
 
Rich>>     
"Robert Comer" =
<bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
 
message>     
news:3e378a2a$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>     =20
  What false
premise?>>     
- =
Bob=20
 
Comer>>>     
"Rich" =
<{at}>=20
  wrote in message news:3e378899$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>        =20
  The first problem with George's rant is that it is based on a=20
  false>     =20
 
premise.>>     =20
 
Rich>>     
"Antti Kurenniemi" =
<Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com=">mailto:Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com">Antti_Kurenniemi{at}hotmail.com=
>=20
  wrote in
message>     
news:3e3762ee{at}w3.nls.net...>=
     =20
  That really sounds likea a good idea. Unfortunately I think it will=20
 
probably>     
never happen=20
 
:-(>>>     
Antti=20
 
Kurenniemi>>     
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:3e374ea7{at}w3.nls.net...>=
     =20
  > yes I read all about it. It occurs to me that a big part of=20
  the>     
> problem with how they =
are=20
  dealing with this problem
is>      =
>=20
  actually related to copy protection. One of the things=20
  that>     
> causes all these =
unpatched=20
  machines to continuously
be>     
> =

  available is that people are always doing=20
  new>     
> installs/re-installs =
for=20
  whatever reasons. They are =
forced>     
>=20
  to use the original CD which of course contains=20
 
unpatched>     
> code, then apply =
service=20
  pack and lord knows how
many>      =
> hot=20
  fixes.[snip]

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