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from: Rich
date: 2003-02-07 20:27:32
subject: Re: Why IE became popular

From: "Rich" 

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   Yep.  From http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f1700/1763.htm

            Civil Action No. 98-1232

   The DoJ does file criminal charges when they believe there is =
criminal activity.  For an example, see =
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/guidelines/11313.htm for a list of some =
criminal antitrust cases and the associated fines levied.  The largest =
fine is in the criminal case at =
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f2400/2452.htm which lists the case as

            Criminal No. 3:99-CR-184-R

   Now Mike Miller isn't one to let petty details like the truth get in =
the way of his FUD so don't expect a retraction from him.  I wouldn't =
even expect him to stop spreading what he knows, or at least now knows, =
to be a lie.  Given that Mike likes to quote from the proceedings of the =
courts in this case when he believes it suits him, he should have been =
well aware that this was a civil proceeding since this detail is listed =
on all the court proceedings as part of the case number and is often =
referenced in the many discussions of the rules of civil procedure that =
have arisen.

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3e447a67$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  > Except this was a civil case not a criminal case.

  Is it?  It was brought by the DoJ.....

  - Bob Comer


  "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message
  news:3e4472e6{at}w3.nls.net...
  > "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message
  > news:qtn84v43so3u3kdhphqpmlpborp4pr5nta{at}4ax.com...
  > > Google is your friend.
  > >
  > > Microsoft was found, among other things, guilty of violating =
section 2
  of
  > > the Sherman Anti-trust Act.  Indeed, the portion of the decison =
that I
  > > quoted was one of the areas where Microsoft was found guilty of
  violating
  > > section 2 of the Sherman Anti-Trust act. =20

  > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:12:28 -0500, "Robert G Lewis"
  > 
  > > wrote:
  > >
  > > >Microsoft was found to have abused their monopoly position, =
Unless I'm
  > sadly
  > > >mistaken this is not a criminal act, therefore not a felony.
  > > >
  > > >What MS did and does is bad enough. By posting incorrect inflated
  claims
  > all
  > > >you do is lose credibility and give support to MS. Which I don't =
think
  is
  > > >what you intend.
  > > >
  > > >Bob Lewis
  > > >
  > > >"Mike '/m'"  wrote in message
  > > >news:hoh84v891liv7sfkfgc0gfb70it0gg8ka3{at}4ax.com...
  > > >>
  > > >> Whatever you or I think does not matter.
  > > >>
  > > >> Microsoft was convicted of committing a felony.   Neither your =
nor my
  > > >> opinion on it will change the decision.  So deal with it.
  > > >>
  > > >>  /m

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