* In a message originally to Tarragon Moon Allen, Errol Smith said:

 ES> TA>Well the only problem I find with coding a demo is finding something
 ES> TA>original to do... I don't want to be yet another aussie coder who
 ES> TA>just copies the europeans... I wanna get known out yonder for
 ES> TA>something new... or failing that pure quality...
 ES>
 ES> Yep, same problem. But if you dont do something original,
 ES>you might as well do something that has never been done in
 ES>Australia before!  I've got a few new routines that I hope
 ES>to eventually put into one big demo, with all world first
 ES>ideas/routines.
 ES>
 ES> TA>Yeah, I know what you mean... I don't really call people who have
 ES> TA>ripped a logo swing routine and written a scroller 'coders' as such...
 ES> TA>a coder should be someone who knows pretty much exactly what he's
 ES>doing
 ES> TA>and also how to write it from scratch...
 ES>
 ES> Agreed. Doing an intro doesnt make you a real coder. Doing
 ES>something original is the best sign of a real coder. Even if
 ES>you do write the code yourself, figuring out how to make the
 ES>code do what you want is the real challenge. And make the
 ES>code efficent can take a lot of work too.

 ES> TA>Well I've just reconnected my ties with Lithium (Cruze rang me up the
 ES> TA>other day) but as I'd be interested in doing some code with you...
 ES> TA>If you'd be interested in doing a co-op demo or some such...

 ES> Bummer, yep fade told me you were getting back into
 ES>Lithium. Dunno about a co-op demo, I really want to cut my
 ES>ties with Lithium completely (: But maybe a 'spread disk'
 ES>with say a Menace demo on one side, & a Lithium demo on the
 ES>other could be good.
 ES>
 ES>Strobe/Menace

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