CM>JS> Longer shots generally dictate a bolt action, and the savage
CM>JS> I'm assuming you want semi-auto because you intend to also have
CM>JS> the gun
CM>JS> perform as a medium range assault weapon.  Semi-auto definately
CM>JS> to spend, I'd get a $400 Savage with a $200 scope, and a $100
CM>JS> chinese SKS
CM>JS> carbine.  You might spend an additional $100 on a synthetic
CM>JS> stock and a
CM>JS> few 30 round mags for the SKS, but you will better acheive both
CM>JS> optimum
CM>JS> long and medium range performance.
CM>JS>
CM>  I plan on picking up an SKS at the next gun show...I have an order form 
for
Excellent way to start, and I think you'll agree when you get the gun, 
and years later when you look back.
CM>the barret .50 cal sniper rifle but am having problems selling my car so I 
ca
CM>buy it (haha)...yeah the barret is nice isn't it?....I wonder what the 
recoil
Yeah, I've got a running joke with a net-buddy about this barrett we are 
going to go partners in on....
Seriously though, it's quite unnecessary unless you really are going to 
be shooting 1000 yard shots on a very regular basis.  I mentioned the 
.308 chambering, it's a bit heavier than the 7mm magnum, but the 7mm 
magnum is also chambered in the Savage, and it is a very popular long 
range chambering.  I'm looking at a picture of John Nosler of Nosler 
Partition Bullet fame, with an antelope taken at 420 yards with a 7mm.  
420 yards is an extremely long range to be taking a shot, but John Nosler 
is no ordinary shooter either.
7mm magnum will be a little flatter shooting, but may drift slightly more 
at longer ranges.  It'll also deliver a bit more energy downrange up to 
about 500 yards, where the heavier .308 bullet starts retaining more 
energy due to the heavier weight.
You might also look at 30.06, the standard heavy hunting chambering in 
these parts, it'll have about 20% more muzzle energy than the .308, and 
carry the energy better downrange, but at a cost of heavier recoil.
It's worth noting that recoil in a semi-auto will be much softer than 
recoil in a bolt action, given the same rounds and gun weight, so don't 
let the easy shooting SKS lull you into thinking a 30.06 is easy to 
shoot.  Go fire one, or a 12ga shotgun for rough comparison.  The 12ga 
will kick a little more, but not as sharply as the 30.06.
CM>seem to be for the SKS and the SAVAGE....thanks again John
CM> do you know how much Tommy Guns run?...this guy I know is letting one go 
for
CM>about $150....it's an original with 3 straight mags....
I know of a guy who bought one used for $750.  If it is origional, it's a 
decent investment.  If not, it's not a bad gun, but a bit heavy for a 
.45acp carbine if you ask me.  If it's full auto, then it's definately 
worth it, once again for investment.
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