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to: ROBERT PLETT
from: KEITH KNAPP
date: 1997-12-28 02:46:00
subject: Religious costs.

RP>Go ahead and make your bed with that disgusting lot, and wallow with
RP>them in their stench as they march to perdition.  I stand with the likes
RP>of John Witherspoon and James Madison and many, many more like them:
RP>   "He is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and
RP>   active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who set himself
RP>   with the greatest firmness to bear down on profanity and immorality
RP>   of every kind.  Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to
RP>   call him an enemy to his country."
RP>      - John Witherspoon, signer of the Declaration of Independence, 7
RP>           years member of the Continental Congress, and James Madison's
RP>           Mentor
Let's look more closely at Mr Witherspoon's argument, specifically
the last sentence.  Who defines who is an enemy of God?  There are
tens of millions of 'mainstream' Christians in this country who reject
biblical literalism as bad theology, and who accept evolution.  There are
also fundamentalist Christians who firmly believe that anyone who rejects
biblical literalism and accepts evolution is in the grip of satan and is
therefore, by their definition, an enemy of God.  Using Mr Witherspoon's
argument, it follows that if fundamentalists controlled federal power,
they would be obliged to either effect a forced conversion of those
heretics, or convict them of treason.
Three questions:
Do you still stand with Mr Witherspoon if fundamentalism requires
millions of Christians to forcibly accept fundamentalism?
How many people on this echo believe that if one sect of Christianity
has federal power, its definition of "enemy of God" should be used
as a basis for deciding who is patriotic and who is not?
Does this give you some idea of why Congress was instructed to
make no laws respecting an establishment of religion?
RP>   "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon
RP>   the power of government, far from it.  We have staked the future of
RP>   all of our political institutions...upon the capacity of each and all
RP>   of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
RP>      - James Madison, "Father" of the Constitution
Would you kindly show me those places in the Constitution where
the Ten Commandments are listed or incorporated?
Could you explain why, when Mr Madison's admirable Constitution
(IMO the greatest political document in human history) was sent
around, a Bill of Rights had to be added before it could be ratified?
And why that Bill included an instruction meant to prevent Congress
from favoring any religion or sect?
   "There is no special Providence for Americans, and their
    nature is the same with that of the others."
                     --John Adams
                       from his _Defence_ of the Constitution
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