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From: "Rich"
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He didn't say the ability to act as a domain controller. He said =
domain capabilities and this has abaility to be a full domain member.
The rest of what you are unclear about is irrelevant. This is the =
Web Edition. If you want one of the Standard, Enterprise, or Datacenter =
Editions, get it.
Rich
"Geo." wrote in message
news:3e693f0c{at}w3.nls.net...
He's not wrong about domain capabilities, any NT server except the web
server version can be a domain controller, the web server version =
lacks that
capability. Also from what I read it's not clear if auth and file =
serving
are limited to 10 connections or if that can be increased by adding =
CALs. If
it can't be increased then he would also be correct about those (that =
it's
lacking) although as I said it wasn't clear from the description I =
read.
Geo.
"Rich" wrote in message news:3e68e419{at}w3.nls.net...
You are wrong about NT authentication, wrong about file serving, =
wrong
about domain capabilities. Now, do you want to take back that you =
made
nothing up?
It doesn't include CALs because it doesn't need any for what it =
does.
Rich
"Robert Comer" wrote in message
news:3e68cd09{at}w3.nls.net...
I made nothing up, notice the "no Cal's" part. Of course you can =
add
cal's and add all what I said, but it is extra cost.
- Bob Comer
"Rich" wrote in message news:3e68ca32{at}w3.nls.net...
You did admit making stuff up. You wrote in
news://news.barkto.com/3e681017$1{at}w3.nls.net
I'm not so sure that can be said any more, but no matter I =
wasn't just
talking overall OS functionality, but what you can do with that
specific
version of Windows Server -- with no Cal's, that means no NT
authentication,
files serving, or print serving, and I assume no domain
capabilities --
that's 4 areas that Windows is strong on and Linux needs to =
catch up,
yet I
can put together a Linux box that does all 5 of these things for =
a LOT
less
money.
I referred you to
=
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/overview/default.ms=
px
so that you can stop making things up and use real info if you want to
criticize. You have multiple times expressed no interest in visiting =
this
site to avoid your making false statements.
Rich
"Robert Comer" wrote in message
news:3e68aa51{at}w3.nls.net...
> I didn't argue against your invalid assumptions.
At least state them, if you can't even do that they don't exist.
>You already admited you made stuff up.
I did not.
>You don't appear to have any interest in this.
You're right, your argument style of late totally turns me off. =
I am
not
nearly as much against you and Microsoft as you think I am...
- Bob Comer
"Rich" wrote in message news:3e684a50{at}w3.nls.net...
I didn't argue against your invalid assumptions. You already
admited you
made stuff up. I referred you to a reliable source of factual
information.
You don't appear to have any interest in this. Maybe you would =
prefer
to
make false statements, which you now claim as an opinion only =
based on
a
fiction of your own imagination. Of course you still haven't
acknowledged
that when you make up facts on which you base your opinions you =
should
be
honest and acknowledge that.
Rich
"Robert Comer" wrote in message
news:3e6835d9{at}w3.nls.net...
> It's not whether or not you are giving an opinion or not =
that was
your
major deception.
LOL! An opinion is not a deception.
> It was that your opinion was based on assumptions you made =
and not
fact.
And again, assumptions you have not argued against.
>You just admitted that you made up what it was that you were
comparing.
I admitted no such thing.
>Not that it wouldn't do you some good to prefix your opinions, =
as
opposed
to statements of fact, with "I believe" or "I feel".<
I say it again, *ALL* I say here is opinion. (It may be fact =
also,
but it
may not be, just not intentionally wrong.)
> In regard you your mention of propaganda, don't you think =
that
this is a
bit ironic given that your post to which I replied was =
propaganda and
as you
admitted based on a fiction of your own creation?<
No, I don't as what I said wasn't propaganda -- to be using =
propaganda
I'd
have to have something to gain, I have nothing to gain by what I =
said.
You
yourself know I use more Microsoft products than Linux, and I =
like a
third
platform (the AS/400) the best. As for the last part, I created =
no
fiction,
I STATED AN OPINION.
- Bob Comer
"Rich" wrote in message news:3e682dfc{at}w3.nls.net...
It's not whether or not you are giving an opinion or not that =
was your
major
deception. It was that your opinion was based on assumptions =
you made
and
not fact. You just admitted that you made up what it was that =
you were
comparing. Not that it wouldn't do you some good to prefix your
opinions,
as opposed to statements of fact, with "I believe" or
"I feel".
In regard you your mention of propaganda, don't you think =
that this
is a
bit ironic given that your post to which I replied was =
propaganda and
as you
admitted based on a fiction of your own creation?
Rich
"Robert Comer" wrote in message
news:3e6821ab$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> If you are just making assumptions you should state that you =
are
giving
an
opinion based on assumptions and not making a statement based =
on
facts.<
As I have stated before, when I say something I am stating an
opinion, no
more, no less, if you want to take everything I say as fact =
(or
false
fact,) that is your choice, but I have no energy to argue =
such.
This is,
after all, a discussion group, not a scientific journal of =
some
kind.
>It will avoid having your false statements pointed out.
You haven't pointed out any...
>If you care about facts, and I'm not sure you do, see
=
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/overview/default.ms=
px.
<
You're wrong, I'm tired of reading Microsoft propaganda like =
that.
> As for your comments regarding the web edition's =
suitability for
something other than web server, maybe you should take a =
moment and
ask
what
the likely purpose is for something called the web edition.<
Well duh -- I was comparing it to Linux and I can do cheaper =
and
more with
Linux, that's all I said.
> In regard to free support, do you mean posting to a =
newsgroup or
some
infamous IRC channel? Is this what you use to support your =
critical
systems?<
More than just newsgroups, but, that's how I support all our
systems, even
the AS/400. To phrase it another way, we have no software =
support
contracts
on anything in my department. (Not saying I wouldn't want them
necessarily,
but they didn't have sw support contracts under the old =
manager...)
No IRC or IM though, I loath that kind of thing...
- Bob Comer
"Rich" wrote in message news:3e681879{at}w3.nls.net...
If you are just making assumptions you should state that =
you are
giving
an opinion based on assumptions and not making a statement =
based on
facts.
It will avoid having your false statements pointed out. If =
you care
about
facts, and I'm not sure you do, see
=
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/overview/default.ms=
px.
As for your comments regarding the web edition's =
suitability for
something other than web server, maybe you should take a =
moment and
ask
what
the likely purpose is for something called the web edition.
In regard to free support, do you mean posting to a =
newsgroup or
some
infamous IRC channel? Is this what you use to support your =
critical
systems?
Rich
"Robert Comer" wrote in message
news:3e681017$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Can you be specific instead of hot air and hand waving?
I just stated my opinion, that's all. I'm not here to list =
out
everything
possible.
> It's well known that Linux has less functionality.
I'm not so sure that can be said any more, but no matter I =
wasn't
just
talking overall OS functionality, but what you can do with =
that
specific
version of Windows Server -- with no Cal's, that means no NT
authentication,
files serving, or print serving, and I assume no domain
capabilities --
that's 4 areas that Windows is strong on and Linux needs to =
catch
up,
yet
I
can put together a Linux box that does all 5 of these things =
for a
LOT
less
money.
>If you want to roll your own it can cost less for Linux, =
assuming
your
time
is worth >nothing.
There's actually a decent amount of free support out there, =
and
you
don't
have to roll your own version, you can use someone's =
distribution.
>If you want to use a supported version, like from RedHat, =
expect
to
spend
much more for your annual subscription. They will sell you =
a
subscription
to red hat linux advanced server for $1499 per year.<
I would *never* pay Red Hat that much, they don't have =
enough to
offer
support wise. I have spent that much on Microsoft products
several
times
over up to now, but things are a changin. I might add that
Microsoft is
quite costly for aftermarket support and I don't buy that =
either.
>If you want their supported enterprise level web server you =
are
going
to
pay another $395 to $895 annually. That's more than four to =
six
times
more
expensive than the Windows Server 2003 solution.<
I got it beat -- I have a server here at home (always =
learning)
that
cost
$0
for the Linux and about $200 for the hardware. (I also have =
a
Linux
client
PC here that I paid $99 for and I'm not going to do that =
again, at
least
not
this distribution.)
- Bob Comer
"Rich" wrote in message news:3e67d5e4$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Can you be specific instead of hot air and hand waving?
It's well known that Linux has less functionality. If =
you want
to
roll
your own it can cost less for Linux, assuming your time is =
worth
nothing.
If you want to use a supported version, like from RedHat, =
expect
to
spend
much more for your annual subscription. They will sell you =
a
subscription
to red hat linux advanced server for $1499 per year. If you =
want
their
supported enterprise level web server you are going to pay =
another
$395
to
$895 annually. That's more than four to six times more =
expensive
than
the
Windows Server 2003 solution.
Rich
"Robert Comer"
wrote in message
news:3e67b7d1{at}w3.nls.net...
Less functionality, higher cost. Ease of use is a draw, =
but it
would
have
to be even cheaper just for a web server.
- Bob Comer
"Rich" wrote in message
news:3e67b63f{at}w3.nls.net...
By what criteria and how so?
Rich
"Robert Comer" wrote in =
message
news:3e67ae88$1{at}w3.nls.net...
That's not good enough to compete with Linux.
- Bob Comer
"Geo." wrote in message
news:3e67a4e1$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/29567.html
>
> There will be no price increases (as such) when =
Microsoft
ships
its
next
> server OS, Windows Server 2003, on April 24th, but =
there
will be
a
new
> budget-priced version of the product aimed squarely =
at the
web
server
> market. Server 2003 Web Edition comes without client
access
licences, with
a
> 2gig limit on memory, 2-way SMP, and is $399.
>
>
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He didn't
say the ability =
to act as a=20
domain controller. He said domain capabilities and this has =
abaility to be=20
a full domain member.
The rest
of what you are =
unclear about=20
is irrelevant. This is the Web Edition. If you want one
= of the=20
Standard, Enterprise, or Datacenter Editions, get it.
Rich
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