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   OK.  How much does this cost?

Rich
  "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message =
news:3e6854e1{at}w3.nls.net...


  I don't know any major comp (there may be some, I jus don't know them) =
which
  relies directly upon MS for support. EDS yes...CapGemini yes, IBM GS
  yes....direct MS support?

  However I do know a couple which do have a direct channel into the =
distrib
  comp whose distrib they're using (in Europe Suse are especailly good =
at
  this).


  Adam


  Rich

    "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
  news:3e681017$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >  Can you be specific instead of hot air and hand waving?

    I just stated my opinion, that's all. I'm not here to list out =
everything
    possible.

    >   It's well known that Linux has less functionality.

    I'm not so sure that can be said any more, but no matter I wasn't =
just
    talking overall OS functionality, but what you can do with that =
specific
    version of Windows Server -- with no Cal's, that means no NT
  authentication,
    files serving, or print serving, and I assume no domain capabilities =
--
    that's 4 areas that Windows is strong on and Linux needs to catch =
up, yet
  I
    can put together a Linux box that does all 5 of these things for a =
LOT
  less
    money.

    >If you want to roll your own it can cost less for Linux, assuming =
your
  time
    is worth >nothing.

    There's actually a decent amount of free support out there, and you =
don't
    have to roll your own version, you can use someone's distribution.

    >If you want to use a supported version, like from RedHat, expect to =
spend
    much more for your annual subscription.  They will sell you a =
subscription
    to red hat linux advanced server for $1499 per year.<

    I would *never* pay Red Hat that much, they don't have enough to =
offer
    support wise.  I have spent that much on Microsoft products several =
times
    over up to now, but things are a changin.  I might add that =
Microsoft is
    quite costly for aftermarket support and I don't buy that either.

    >If you want their supported enterprise level web server you are =
going to
    pay another $395 to $895 annually.  That's more than four to six =
times
  more
    expensive than the Windows Server 2003 solution.<

    I got it beat -- I have a server here at home (always learning) that =
cost
  $0
    for the Linux and about $200 for the hardware.  (I also have a Linux
  client
    PC here that I paid $99 for and I'm not going to do that again, at =
least
  not
    this distribution.)

    - Bob Comer



    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e67d5e4$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       Can you be specific instead of hot air and hand waving?

       It's well known that Linux has less functionality.  If you want =
to roll
    your own it can cost less for Linux, assuming your time is worth =
nothing.
    If you want to use a supported version, like from RedHat, expect to =
spend
    much more for your annual subscription.  They will sell you a =
subscription
    to red hat linux advanced server for $1499 per year.  If you want =
their
    supported enterprise level web server you are going to pay another =
$395 to
    $895 annually.  That's more than four to six times more expensive =
than the
    Windows Server 2003 solution.

    Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
    news:3e67b7d1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Less functionality, higher cost. Ease of use is a draw, but it =
would
  have
    to be even cheaper just for a web server.

      - Bob Comer


        "Rich"  wrote in message news:3e67b63f{at}w3.nls.net...
           By what criteria and how so?

        Rich

          "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
    news:3e67ae88$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          That's not good enough to compete with Linux.

          - Bob Comer


          "Geo."  wrote in message
    news:3e67a4e1$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/29567.html
          >
          > There will be no price increases (as such) when Microsoft =
ships
  its
    next
          > server OS, Windows Server 2003, on April 24th, but there =
will be a
    new
          > budget-priced version of the product aimed squarely at the =
web
    server
          > market. Server 2003 Web Edition comes without client access
    licences, with
          a
          > 2gig limit on memory, 2-way SMP, and is $399.
          >
          >




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OK.  How much does =
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cost?
 
Rich

  "Adam Flinton" <adam{at}NOSPAMsoftfab.com>">mailto:adam{at}NOSPAMsoftfab.com">adam{at}NOSPAMsoftfab.com>
=
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  message news:3e6854e1{at}w3.nls.net...I=20
  don't know any major comp (there may be some, I jus don't know them)=20
  whichrelies directly upon MS for support. EDS yes...CapGemini yes, =
IBM=20
  GSyes....direct MS support?However I do
know a couple =
which do=20
  have a direct channel into the distribcomp whose distrib they're =
using (in=20
  Europe Suse are especailly good=20
 
atthis).AdamRich 
"Robert =
Comer"=20
  <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
  wrote in messagenews:3e681017$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  >  Can you be specific instead of hot air and hand=20
  waving?  I just stated my opinion, that's
all. I'm not =
here to=20
  list out everything 
possible.  >   =
It's=20
  well known that Linux has less
functionality.  I'm not so =
sure=20
  that can be said any more, but no matter I wasn't just  =
talking=20
  overall OS functionality, but what you can do with that =
specific =20
  version of Windows Server -- with no Cal's, that means no=20
  NTauthentication,  files serving, or print
serving, and I =
assume=20
  no domain capabilities --  that's 4 areas that Windows is =
strong on=20
  and Linux needs to catch up, yetI  can put
together a =
Linux box=20
  that does all 5 of these things for a LOTless =20
  money.  >If you want to roll your own
it can cost less =
for=20
  Linux, assuming yourtime  is worth =
>nothing. =20
  There's actually a decent amount of free support out there, and you=20
  don't  have to roll your own version, you can use someone's=20
  distribution.  >If you want to use a
supported =
version, like=20
  from RedHat, expect to spend  much more for your annual=20
  subscription.  They will sell you a
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  linux advanced server for $1499 per
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*never*=20
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support=20
  wise.  I have spent that much on Microsoft products several=20
  times  over up to now, but things are a changin.  I =
might add=20
  that Microsoft is  quite costly for aftermarket support and I =
don't=20
  buy that either.  >If you want their
supported =
enterprise=20
  level web server you are going to  pay another $395 to $895=20
  annually.  That's more than four to six
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expensive=20
  than the Windows Server 2003
solution.<  I got it beat =
-- I=20
  have a server here at home (always learning) that
cost$0  =
for the=20
  Linux and about $200 for the hardware.  (I also have a=20
  Linuxclient  PC here that I paid $99 for and I'm not =
going to do=20
  that again, at leastnot  this =
distribution.)  - Bob=20
  Comer  "Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:3e67d5e4$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
    =20
  Can you be specific instead of hot air and hand=20
  waving?     It's
well known that Linux has =
less=20
  functionality.  If you want to roll  your own it can =
cost less=20
  for Linux, assuming your time is worth nothing.  If you want =
to use a=20
  supported version, like from RedHat, expect to spend  much =
more for=20
  your annual subscription.  They will sell you a =
subscription  to=20
  red hat linux advanced server for $1499 per year.  If you want=20
  their  supported enterprise level web server you are going to =
pay=20
  another $395 to  $895 annually.  That's more
than four =
to six=20
  times more expensive than the  Windows Server 2003=20
  solution. 
Rich    "Robert
Comer" =
<bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message  news:3e67b7d1{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;  =20
  Less functionality, higher cost. Ease of use is a draw, but it=20
  wouldhave  to be even cheaper just for a web=20
  server.    - Bob=20
 
Comer     
"Rich" <{at}> wrote =
in=20
  message news:3e67b63f{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;       =20
  By what criteria and how
so?     =20
 
Rich       
"Robert Comer" =
<bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message  news:3e67ae88$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
       =20
  That's not good enough to compete with=20
 
Linux.       
- Bob=20
 
Comer       
"Geo." =
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wrote in=20
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>       
> There will be =
no price=20
  increases (as such) when Microsoft shipsits =20
 
next       
> server OS, =
Windows=20
  Server 2003, on April 24th, but there will be a =20
 
new       
> budget-priced =
version=20
  of the product aimed squarely at the web =20
 
server       
> market. =
Server 2003=20
  Web Edition comes without client access  licences,=20
 
with       =20
 
a       
> 2gig limit on =
memory,=20
  2-way SMP, and is
$399.       =20
 
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