RB>         ù Quoting Bob Rudolph from a message to Ryan Bagueros  ù 
 RB> BR> Sure there's a difference - but so what?  Would you take what the 
guy 
 RB> BR> inherits  and distribute it evenly among who?  The minimum wage 
 RB> BR> folks?  The folks below  average?  Or would you simply take it and 
 RB> BR> give $1.98 to everyone in the  universe? No matter what you do, the 
 RB> Your argument always falls back to, "Well, you're right, Ryan, but what 
 RB> are you
 RB> going to do - redistribute the wealth?!?", as you froth at the mouth at 
 RB> the 
 RB> thought that I'm proposing more taxes for the rich, or some communist 
 RB> apparatus. Of course, all along I've been suggesting the eradication of 
 RB> money 
 RB> itself, and so your argument falls flat on its face.
No it doesn't.  What do you use in place of money? Remember, money was 
invented so that there would be a medium of exchange that was predictable, 
quantifiable, and which lent itself to measure and standardization.  it has 
worked for hundreds of years.  Now it's stupid?
I repeat - what do you use in its place that has all those properties?
 RB> BR> The rich are not in complete control - even they answer to someone 
if 
 RB> BR> only to  themselves.  What is your alternative, and where has it 
ever 
 RB> BR> worked?
 RB> Perhaps not *complete* control. But they certainly have way more power 
 RB> than you
 RB> do, or your constituency does, and your state representative, and 
 RB> probably your
 RB> state senator, and maybe even your federal representative.. 
If they really had more power, how come it's never been exercised against me 
or against anyone that I know?
 RB> What is my alternative? As I've said, a social system that does not have 
 RB> money.
Been tried.  Money was invented (see previous...)
 RB> Where has it worked? Spontaneously, there are a million examples of 
 RB> people 
 RB> functioning as a civil society without money. Historically, I can refer 
 RB> you to 
 RB> the decentralized sandinistas, or israeli communes, or chiapas in 
mexico, 
 RB> or 
 RB> spain in the 30's, etc etc. 
Can you refer me to anything that rpoduced automobiles, telephones, radios, 
or 
computers under the system that you espouse?  I thought not.
 RB> BR> "the people" can NEVER control production of anything without the 
 RB> BR> force of a  market, and the return on investment as incentive.  
Greed 
 RB> BR> is one of the best  motivators there is - and you know it as well as 
 RB> BR> I know it.
 RB> Greed motivates for profit, and profit exists so some people can get 
rich 
 RB> off 
 RB> many more people's labor. NEED will always be a far better motivator 
than 
 RB> greed anyday - and far more equitable.
Profit exists so that someone knows what he's getting in a quantifiable 
manner. If need were such a fiund motivator, how come you are decrying those 
who don't need inm such a manner?
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