RB>         ù Quoting Bob Rudolph from a message to Ryan Bagueros  ù 
 RB> BR> Seems to me that what you are saying is that the USA is far worse 
 RB> BR> than anyone  else in the world has ever been, that all we are about 
 RB> BR> is malevolence.  I  don't believe that.
 RB> No, not worse - but not any better. The United States has murdered 
 RB> dissidents, 
 RB> it has suppressed free speech, it has invaded other countries in 
 RB> violation of 
 RB> international law, it holds political prisoners. The techniques might be 
 RB> different, but the effects are the same.
I find the USA to be far less onerous than you do.  I'll begin to be 
concerned 
when they are successful with a massive gun grab, as England has done and 
Australia has tried (with a notable and laudable lack of success...)
 RB> BR> what DO you  advocate that would take from someone who earns 
 RB> BR> something to give to someone  who won't?
 RB> Decentralized, money-less, mutual aid between collectives. Socialism 
 RB> without a government, sort of.
Read "Voyage of the Space Beagle" about such a society.  You are dealing in 
an 
arrangement that guarantees that EVERYONE will get screwed regularly because 
there is NO finite value attached to anything.
In a hunter-gatherer society, your postulate has merit and did work.  In an 
industrialized society,  it won't - unless, of course, it is your plan that 
we 
go back to the point in time when nothing was so complex that the average 
dummy couldn't make it or fix it.
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