From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
From Address: anim8rfsk{at}cox.net
Subject: Re: STAR TREK THE WRATH OF KHAN: was What Did You Watch?
2013-06-01 (Saturday)

In article ,
 "Daniel47{at}teranews.com"  wrote:

> anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article ,
> >   "Daniel47{at}teranews.com"
 wrote:
> >
> >> anim8rFSK wrote:
> >>> In article ,
> >>>    "Daniel47{at}teranews.com"
 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Lewis wrote:
> >>>>> In message 
> >>>>>      Arthur Lipscomb
 wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/2/2013 10:03 PM, ToolPackinMama wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 6/2/2013 10:31 PM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Most of the other characters were
from TOS or just a random alien.
> >>>>>>>> This
> >>>>>>>> guy stands out because TOS had no
cyborgs like that on the 
> >>>>>>>> Enterprise.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> TOS did have an android on the Enterprise
in one episode.  He wore a
> >>>>>>> Starfleet uniform and everything.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/imudd.htm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Not entirely the same thing.  Androids were
clearly established in 
> >>>>>> TOS,
> >>>>>> which made Data's claims of uniqueness a
little odd.  The character in
> >>>>>> the movie is humanoid with cybernetic
implants which apparently
> >>>>>> (according to online sources) have a direct
neural interface with the
> >>>>>> Enterprise.  He's more Borg than Starfleet
and more advance than
> >>>>>> anything Starfleet should have had during TOS
(or even TNG).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Different History. Different developments.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lewis, I was going to give a similar response to
Arthur, up thread,
> >>>> along the lines of "Different Timeline, so who
knows what is
> >>>> possible!!", but as this is only a shout time
(months/years??) after the
> >>>> re-boot, is it really likely that there would be a
Borg in Starfleet??
> >>>>
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>
> >>> The history of the universe and basic physics were
already completely
> >>> different in the first movie when Nero first appeared.
> >>
> >> Yeap, the timeline is the same until Nero appears out of nowhere and
> >> destroys Kirk's Dad's ship!
> >
> > No it's not.  Look at Dad's ship.  It's *vastly* advanced of ships of
> > the TOS era, which would be almost 40 years later.  And McCoy should
> > already be like 10 years old, but his birth got delayed - before Nero
> > showed up.
> 
> Yes, the look of the StarShips have changed significantly *in our time 
> stream*.

Not in Kirk's early life they didn't.

 If Gene Roddenberry had been alive and imagining Star Trek now, 
> TOS-now might look significantly different from TOS-1960's!!

So what?

>  Maybe even 
> something like the TOS-now!!
> 
>  From http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/James_T._Kirk
> Quote
> "He was born on March 22nd, 2233 (Stardate 1277.1), in Iowa on Earth, 

Non canon retcons, resulting from Data getting the Earth date wrong in 
"The Neutral Zone"

> the son of George and Winona Kirk. His mother and father were serving on 
> board the USS Kelvin under the command of Captain Richard Robau while 
> Winona was pregnant with him."
> End Quote
> 
> And, near the bottom of that website.....
> Quote
> Roberto Orci, co-writer of Star Trek,

talentless hack, liar and deeply stupid jerk

> has said that in an early draft of 
> that film, dialogue confirmed that in the prime reality, Kirk was born 
> in Iowa and not aboard the USS Kelvin:

Why does he get to confirm squat?

> "If not for the attack from the 
> Narada, the Kelvin would've reached earth and Kirk would've been born in 
> Iowa. The attack made Winona Kirk go into labor early." [7] The dialogue 
> in question was likely Prime Spock's line in which he tells the 
> alternate James T. Kirk that he was born on a farm in Iowa, to which 
> Kirk corrects him, stating he (the alternate Kirk) was born on a 
> starship. This line appears in the novelization of the film, which used 
> an early draft of the screenplay as a basis.
> End Quote
> 
> So, if the Writers can actually explain how/when TOS-1960's and TOS-now 
> diverged,

But they didn't.  The Crap Trek universe is *already totally different* 
when Nero first appears.

> who are we to argue?? 

Quote the real James T. Kirk:  "Who do I have to be?"

> Although in the 2009 version, because of 
> the attack Winona Kirk did go into labor early, so James T Kirk was 
> probably born some hours/days/weeks early, not Years let alone decades!!
> 
> But, of course, we will!!
> 
> Daniel

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