RAY wrote:
>       But none of this has anything to do with the
> NRA website's implication that the Haynes ruling
> allows common criminals to keep guns without
> registering them.

1. NRAWinningTeam.com is not an NRA web site.

2. NRAWinningTeam.com does NOT imply that the Haynes ruling
allows criminals to keep their firearms.  In fact, it states
clearly that they get to keep their firearms because nobody 
knows they own them.  It's the same reason a law-abiding
citizen can't have his gun confiscated if he hasn't yet
registered it and the "deadline" hasn't elapsed.

3. NRAWinningTeam.com states clearly (without implications)
that "The Supreme Court has protected criminals against 
prosecution for both failing to register firearms and possessing 
unregistered ones with Haynes v. US."  That does not state or imply
that criminals are "allowed" anything, just that they can't be 
prosecuted.

4. NRAWinningTeam.com goes on to state "As a result of Haynes v. 
US, 390 U.S. 85 (1968), a criminal cannot be convicted for 
failure to register a firearm because to do so would represent 
a violation of the criminal's Fifth Amendment right against 
self-incrimination. "  That does not state or imply
that criminals are "allowed" anything, just that they can't be 
prosecuted.

NO WHERE DOES NRAWINNINGTEAM IMPLY THAT HAYNES V. US ALLOWS 
CRIMINALS TO POSSESS ASSAULT WEAPONS.  Ray is twisting what it does say
into what it does not, because he can't attack what it does say.
Surprised?

Any gun can be confiscated from criminals.  However, granted immunity
from prosecution for failing to register, they don't, so they
fear not confiscation, while the law-abiding registers and loses.

>       That's why the website's characterization,
> was a lie.

No lies, Ray.  Just truth.  Registration leads to confiscation.
California proves it for the second time.

Cheers,

Mike Haas

PS: Ray, when I reported the SKS confiscation in 98, you denied that
too.
Even after looking at the web site, you said you didn't see any more
then
one NRA member's (Doss) gun being confiscated.  Now we have special laws
passed
to indemnify the tens of thousands of SKS owners you denied the
existence of
AND SKSBuyBack.org to boot!  Man, you are good at being wrong!  Few
could
make a mistake like that and show their face to falsify again.
(Of course, I wish I *had* been wrong, but when disagreeing with you,
that's
unlikely.)