ù Quoting Rich Willbanks from a message to Ryan Bagueros  ù 
RW> when was the last time you attended a city board/managers/council 
RW> meeting?  When was the last time you filed a FOIA statement to get 
RW> police records? Better yet when was the last time you got your info 
RW> from something other thana news source?
The local area Copwatch & Anti-Racist Action (two collectives/organizations 
that I might be affiliated with) are engaged in several lawsuits with the 
police department, not to mention several incidents that occurred that they 
did
not sue after for financial/other reasons. Members have been guests on local 
talk shows. Copwatch routinely sends out "squads" of volunteers who videotape 
police officers in action, in a very poor part of town, and the campus, and 
have videotapes that are being compiled, including video of the police 
pointing
a gun at a girl's head who is sitting on the ground, who they let go after 
detaining her for 5-10 mins, and other incidents. There are constant FOI 
actions. You can check out their webpage if you like. In other words, I'm not 
just reading the daily newspaper and reacting. If I was, and just casually 
following the paper, and the city council meetings, all of which are DESIGNED 
to look good and follow procedures, I would probably think like you do.
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