MvdV>>> Preferred by whom? Preferred by you perhaps.

 >> Does it really matter?

 MvdV> Yes, it does.

 >> The point is, that those listings have worked in the past and still do...

 MvdV> No, the point is that these listings cause problems for some.
 MvdV> Unnecessary problems because these listings can easily be
 MvdV> avoided. Causing unnecessary problems to others is selfish and
 MvdV> irresponsible.

said the kettle to the pot... ie: this supposed problem works both ways...

need i mention that the international dialing code of one's locale
invalidates the 000-, 61-, 91-1-, and 1- problems that others are obviously
not thinking thru??? ;) you are also included in "others" ;) ;)

 >>>> my software (frontdoor) has no problems with it

 MvdV>>> Mine does.

 >> If you're talking about yours being Irex,

 MvdV> No, I am talking about my POTS mailer, InterMail, for which
 MvdV> there is no documented way of telling it to never attempt to
 MvdV> dial these 000- numbers.

ahhh, then it seems to me that i'd be dropping intermail if it cannot
handle the situation _and_ it is not being supported ;) evidently, it is
not up to the standards of fidonet O:)

 >> it doesn't have any problems connecting to Vladimir's system,

 MvdV> I suppose I could make my Irex connect to his Binkp system.
 MvdV> I'd have to manually enter the IP number in my setup though.
 MvdV> Irex can not read an Ip number hidden in the phone nr. field.

that is a problem that charles cruden needs to handle in a future revision,
then... since you are a user as well as a FTSC member, if i were you, i'd
be knocking on his door about this problem ;)

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 >> We've been here before with your attempt at other nodelistings
 >> that have failed to impress anyone outside of Z2 that matters.

 MvdV> Not true.

 >>>> and what's in a location name? O:)

 MvdV>>> It is supposed to supply useful information about the system's
 MvdV>>> physical location. "IP" is uninformative.

 >> That's because it's an IP node, which can be located anywhere.

 MvdV> An IP node can be located anywhere where there is InterNet
 MvdV> access. a POTS node can be located anywhere where thers is
 MvdV> access to a public telephone network. It absolves neither from
 MvdV> properly using the location field.

define "properly", please... it is a well known fact that handles
are generally not allowed in fidonet... however, many past well known
individuals flew handles in their SYSOP NAME fields... they also used these
"handles" in all their echomail and netmail messages...
precedence was set long before you or i joined this network... it cannot be
removed now ;)

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