On (14 Jul 95) Rod Speed wrote to Keith Richardson...



 RS> I've deleted all you pathetic attempts at coat trailing and didnt

 RS> even bother to reply to the most feeble attempts. Try harder Keef.



ie you couldn't think of an answer - i won't ask you to try harder it

would be unfair to expect more than you are capable of.



PE> Outside of Australia, Britain and the US, most

PE> of the rest of the world uses a 24-hour clock. No,

PE> the rest of the world is not full of computer nerds.



KR> the poms use it.



RS> Everyone uses it to some extent, pity

RS> thats not what he was talking about tho.



PE> I don't believe the poms predominately use the 24-hour clock.



KR> ask yourself which of us has been there twice

KR> in the last year, and which one hasn't (:



RS> Ask yourself who who might has has such a surfeit of dog

RS> shit between the ears that it wouldnt have helped him much ?



RS> Then there is the tiny matter of whether its at all likely

RS> that the poms have changed that much in just the last year.



KR> what has that to do with anything,



 RS> Dont ask me, you were the one who mentioned the last year.



KR> as far as i know, paul has never been to the uk.



 RS> Corse there is the tiny matter of how crucial that is on that time

 RS> question. There are other viable ways of working that stuff out Keef.



time was never the question, only that of recent and actual experience.

corse you can rely on second hand experience, guessing, and downright

faking if you prefer (and you definitely seem to), i'd rather depend on

that which i have actually experienced at first hand.



RS> They have always had some problems with poms being

RS> inducted into the military where they do indeed use

RS> 24 hour time rather more than society at large.



KR> as far as i have seen, having worked with the pommy

KR> military, as well as the australian, and yank ones, they

KR> have no more difficulty with 24 hour clocks than anyone else.



 RS> Poor old Keefs dropped into moron mode. I was talking about

 RS> the hassle they get with new recruits, with their use of 24

 RS> hour time. If the recruits really did use 24 hour time before,

 RS> there would be no effect like that now would there Keef ?



and when were you last in a pommy recruiting camp then rod, doing

undercover work for the griffith mafia or something?



KR> the poms use the 24 hour clock in most of their timetables,

KR> and if i remember rightly, the tv stations use it also.



RS> Proves sweet fuck all about anything much. Its quite common on say

RS> VCRs here too, and most people, if you ask them the time, dont

 RS> actually

RS> say half past fourteen very often. Neither do very many poms Keef.



KR> perhaps that explains the popularity of g-code, very

KR> few people seem to be able to program them correctly.



 RS> Its got fuck all to do with the use of 24 hour time.



what has it to do with then ? 



KR> as i pointed out to paul, even people using the 24 hour

KR> clock all the time tend to talk in 12 hour terms.



 RS> Here we go, faking away from your original claim extensively now.

 RS> He said 'I don't believe the poms predominately use the 24-hour clock'.

 RS> Your comment about timetables doesnt do a thing to refute that Keef.



well rod i've been there he hasn't, and neither it would seem have you.



KR> most of the older people, though still talk in the old terms.



RS> I dont even believe that as generally as you are claiming

RS> it. Say you agree too meet someone at 3 in the afternoon,

RS> I bet not many of even the younger people would say

RS> '15 hundred hours' or anything else except 3 oclock.



KR> if they were going to catch a train, they

KR> would probably refer to it as the 15:00 train.



 RS> I doubt it. And even you arent silly enough to try to claim that they

 RS> would use it in the situation I mentioned, even the younger ones.



on what evidence would you doubt it then other than the fantasies that

you dream up and then fake a framework around.



KR> it may be some sort of euro-standard that britain is having to follow.



RS> In some respects, but I still dont believe its

RS> as generally used as you are trying to claim.



KR> just try something at first hand for a

KR> change instead of hypothesising from afar.



 RS> Try stop playing with yourself, your pathetic claim has

 RS> exploded in your face and you are faking away like mad.



try doing something at first hand for a change. sitting in that

comfortable chair out there in the boonies is rotting your brain. there

has been a noticeable degadation over the last couple of years, if you

dont do something soon, the next time you flash your arse in public the

nice men in white coats will come and take you away.



RS> We ourselves do at times read out a clock in 24 hour time,

RS> 14:35 etc. Proves SFA about using 24 hour time in general tho.



KR> exceeding rare in this country, a few people use it in special

 RS> circumstance



 RS> Bullshit, and this blows up your pathetic claim about being there.

 RS> Great footshot Keef.



ok then, in what circumstances do the ordinary folk of this country use

the 24 hour system. so far you have mentioned vcrs, but now g-code gets

around that - next? time to stop faking and come up with the goods if

you can. unfortunately history is against you, you have never done so

yet.



KR> i prefer 24 hour clocks, i have my watch set in that mode,

KR> but i talk in 12 hour mode as so few people understand if you dont.



 RS> Just goes to show how what 'seems' to you is often so fucked Keef.

 RS> I dont believe that a single participant in these echoes would have

 RS> any problem with it.



the participants in this echo are hardly typical people, since they are

all computer literate enough to have set up fido points, and motivated

enough to communicate despite having to wade through the crap that you

shower around them. all you have proved by that is that there may be 15

people in australia that can understand it, and i wouldn't bet on all of

them then.



                        Keith



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