AWL> - bans echo of encrypted messages (through normal channels)

PE> Only via netmail.  Use echomail, which is what we were 
PE> discussing.

AWL> I've seen it applied to echomail. I believe this is one of the areas where 
AWL> echomail is treated as "just another type" of netmail under P4...

The moderator of an echo can do what he likes, either ban it or
allow it.

AWL> - requires ZMH mailer

PE> Yes, this requires people to be more technically serious.  
PE> Just become a point if you don't like that.  So what?

AWL> I can go ZMH on a second line tomorrow, except I can't afford it. I can 

Do it on your first line.

AWL> overcome the purely technical problems by rebuilding the garden shed, 
AWL> connecting power and phone, and hiring someone for an hour every day or 
AWL> two to deal with mail problems when I'm too crook. Should only set me back 
AWL> about $4k upfront plus about $1kpa for wages...

What a crock of shit.  All you need to do is run Binkley and make
sure it will ACCEPT FTS-1 mail at 4-5AM.  You aren't even obliged
to read the mail.  People go on holidays for weeks.  Computers run
themselves you dork.  You could even use an XT with a 300 bps modem,
and get a $20 timer that switches it on at 4AM and off at 5AM.  I
know you've already got an XT.  I paid $25 for a 2400 bps modem a
short time ago (with the caveat that I originally thought it was a
fully working 1200 bps modem, but it turned out to be a 2400 with
a bust power supply).  Do you want me to hunt around for a 300 bps
modem for you?  

AWL> Fido-in-general
AWL> - nets defined geographically

PE> Big whoop.

AWL> I'm looking at that from the viewpoint of mailmoving in geographically 
AWL> complex OtherNets...

Like I say, big whoop.

PE> So, why don't you start up your own wanknet then if you 
PE> hate fidonet so much.  All the people who agree that 
PE> fidonet's rules are bad will be rushing in droves to your 
PE> new net.

AWL> If I had say $20k plus $10kpa, I'd do so. In order to coimpete with 

Absolute crap, you can set up your network with an XT and a 300 bps
modem.

AWL> Fight-o-net I'd need to be able to offer as wide a hub structure, as many 

For starters, you don't need to compete with Fidonet.

AWL> and varied echos and a whole bunch of other stuff which keeps people using 
AWL> Fido in spite of problems with the assortment of loonies who seem to 
AWL> infest Fido like fleas...

Secondly, you can get the mail as a point and feed it into your
wanknet if you want.  No-one's going to stop you.  Feeding mail
back the other way you may find that the moderator will
restrict you.  Depends on the echo.  I don't mind it for 
PUBLIC_DOMAIN, and I doubt Rod will stop you if you want to do
it for AUST_AVTECH.

PE> theirs.  And actually, I made a mistake, it should only cost 
PE> about $400/year at present internet traffic mail rates.  

AWL> That's what it would cost *you* where you live. We don't have the luxury 

No, that's what it would cost *you* to keep Michael Butler's
system running.  If you cover his excess costs (excess to what
he is currently paying without operating the gate), he may well
start up again.

AWL> of cheap access to the Internet here. Anyway, MB wasn't running *his* 
AWL> gateway, he was running FidoNet's Z3 gateway... Not the same thing at 
AWL> all...

It's his gateway unless someone wants to challenge his authority
to run the Z3 gateway.  Why don't you challenge him?  All you need
is a permanently connected internet feed.  BFN.  Paul.
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