-=> On 07-22-97  19:34, Bobby Queen said to David North,<=-
-=>"About Warning! :)...,"<=-
-=> In a note to John Snyder  David North scribbled:
-=> Quoting John Snyder to Eric Sawler <=-
 
Hi, Bobby;
 
I sent you netmail about this, but I will state it publically ONCE and
drop it.
 
 ->> I really could use a 3 week vacation, I have a right to speak my
 ->> mind.
 
[Multiple snips to save bandwidth]
 
 JS>> i'll probably get a warning for this, but i agree. bobby seems to have
 JS>> a vendetta against anything being posted that even slightly bends one
 JS>> of his rules, but he has no problem sending 50 reprimands per day in
 DN} It's called being the Moderator. By correcting IN the echo,
 DN} he lets everyone know what's wrong and it should serve to
 DN} stop others from responding to the improper message and give
 DN} them some guidelines for the future...
 DN} As for John's imaginary "rights", he has no rights at all
 DN} in any FIDO echo. It's not public speech, since it occurs on
 DN} privately owned systems. He has no more right to speak his
 DN} mind here than he does in my living room.
 
 BQ> Thanks for the explaination and for ending the thread.  I was just
 BQ> tired of complaining to these folks.  I know most of them are new to
 BQ> FidoNet and don't know the rules but still it looks like they could
 BQ> read.  Talk at ya l8er.
 
As moderator/Co-moderator of several echos in 5 networks as well as being
a SysOp, I have a comment:
 
It is hard enough to get users to actually access echos, (at least on
this BBS), and I sat here just a couple of days ago and watched a new user
go straight to the CLASSIFIED echo and start reading... the first four
messages he saw were moderation messages, including the COMPLETE rules
for the echo.  His reaction?  He quit reading the echo and dropped
carrier.  As of now, he has not called back!
 
A suggestion: Please consider using netmail in some cases, particularly
when the poster/violator is the SysOp, (so you KNOW they have access to
netmail).  An alternative is to send netmail to the user and CC to the
SysOp.
 
Do I, as a moderator, post moderation messages in the echos I moderate?
Occasonally, yes, however the only time I post rules in such messages
is the specific rule violated, not the entire set.  Those are posted
separately.
 
Also, if someone happens to have more than one of an item to sell, you
immediately brand them as a business and tell them to go elsewhere.  Is
it not possible that someone has half a dozen of something in their closet
gathering dust?  Sure it is.  I could find half a dozen assorted modems
lying around here gathering dust, and if I chose to advertise them as a
group, I fear that you would brand me as a business, though I am not.
 
I agree 110% that moderation is required, but IMHO, you are being just a
bit too strict with it.  Please bend a little, ok?
 
My sincere thanks for listening.  End of comment and end of thread AFAIAC.
 
Catch you later... Keep l00king up!
   Ivy
 
 
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... 1st Myth of Moderation: It's not needed. 2nd Myth: It's needed.
... A leader is best when people barely know he exists. - W. Brynner
... All that exceeds the bounds of moderation has an unstable foundation.
... Def: moderator 1:babysitter 2: JUDGE jury and deleter (^8
... Even Moderation should be practiced in moderation.
... Herding cats is easier than moderating.
... In the echo, the mighty echo, the Moderator screams tonight...
... Moderating's JUST A BIT more fun than being beaten with a slegehammer.
... Moderators moderating Moderators. Next on Geraldo!
 
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