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   If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the =
server is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?  Still, there is =
something different about your computers that you see this "a
LOT".  I = am curious, how are you deleting the files and folders when
these = operations aren't triggering refreshes?

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >   There is something different about your system.

  System(s).

  >There has to be some reason why you claim you see this all the time =
and
  everyone else does not.

  No, I didn't say I see it all the time, just a LOT.  I don't know what
  causes it.

  >I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows =
2000
  sends notifications fine.

  I don't have a problem on Win9x machines this way, it sends the
  notifications just fine.

  >   You have no CD-ROM software?

  Some of the PC's yes, some no, and not the same version on any.

  >These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>

  Both, but mostly CDRW. Even have a DVD and a DVDRW.

  >If the latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?

  On the ones with rw, yes, but none of them have that active crud (tray =
icon
  that asks you what to do when you put in a blank CD) or the direct cd =
type
  stuff.

  >For that matter, are you using inbox or non-inbox drivers

  In box on all but one PC. (newer video card than what's in the box on =
my
  main PC at home.)  Supposedly certified though.

  >Again, there must be some reason why you claim to never see title =
changes
  while everyone else does not.

  If I knew I'd tell you why. (and I doubt EVERYONE sees title changes, =
I
  don't have that strange a config.)

  - Bob Comer



  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...
     There is something different about your system.  There has to be =
some
  reason why you claim you see this all the time and everyone else does =
not.
  I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows =
2000
  sends notifications fine.

     You have no CD-ROM software?  These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  If the
  latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?  For that matter, are you =
using
  inbox or non-inbox drivers?  If the latter, are they WHQL certified?  =
Again,
  there must be some reason why you claim to never see title changes =
while
  everyone else does not.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
  news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.  =
Yours
    does not sound like a video problem.<

    That's kind of part of the symptom I'm seeing, except you get an =
error if
    you double click on them. (file not found)

    >   Network drive issues could be a problem or limitation with the =
file
    server to which you are connecting.  The server needs to send change
    notifications requested by the client.  What kind of server is it to =
which
    you are connecting?<

    Windows 200 Server, Snap server, and our AS/400, they all do it.

    >   The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications.  =
I'm
    suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of =
your
  PCs.
    Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on =
all
  of
    your PCs.<

    Nope, but like I said, I have autorun disabled.

    - Bob Comer



    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...
       Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.  =
Yours
    does not sound like a video problem.


       The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications.  =
I'm
    suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of =
your
  PCs.
    Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on =
all
  of
    your PCs.

    Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
    news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if it =
were
  n't
      refreshing the screen properly.

      >The symptoms described were that the icon images were visible but
    clicking
      on them had no effect.

      That's not what i was describing -- you can move these icons that =
you
  just
      deleted, you can try to delete them again 9and you get a file not =
found
      error)  and as for the network drives that exhibit the same =
behavior,
  they
      just don't show up, and you know their connected because of a =
command
  line
      net use shows them.  As for the cdrom's never changing the disk =
name
  when
      you change the CD, you tell me. (probably something to do with =
autorun
  not
      turned on, but it should update when accessing the CD.)

      And also, this beahovior is exactly the same on all my PC's =
regardless
  of
      video.

      - Bob Comer



      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...
         Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were =
that the
    icon
      images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  That is =
an
      indication that there is no icon there.  There are ways to =
distinguish
  by
      opening another window and dragging it across the front of the one =
with
      phantom icons or minimizing then maximizing.

      Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
      news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an =
update
    problem
      in explorer.

      - Bob Comer


      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching issue.  =
It
    sounds
      like a display driver problem with blts that manifests as repaint
    problems.

      Rich

        "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:3eb48e3c{at}w3.nls.net...
        "Frank Haber"  wrote in message
        news:3eb44dd4$1{at}w3.nls.net...

        > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears (is =
there a
        > SHELLICONCACHE in NT?)

        yes there is a shelliconcache in NT.

        Geo.





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   If you
don't see it all =
the time, are=20
you sure you see it when the server is Windows 2000 and not just snap or =

AS/400?  Still, there is something different about your computers
= that you=20
see this "a LOT".  I am curious, how are you deleting
the files and = folders=20
when these operations aren't triggering refreshes?
 
Rich
 

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...>  =20
  There is something different about your=20
  system.System(s).>There
has to be some reason why =
you claim=20
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problem on=20
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  fine.>   You have no CD-ROM
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inbox or=20
  non-inbox driversIn box on all but one PC. (newer video card =
than=20
  what's in the box on mymain PC at home.)  Supposedly =
certified=20
  though.>Again, there must be some reason why
you claim to =
never see=20
  title changeswhile everyone else does
not.If I knew I'd =
tell you=20
  why. (and I doubt EVERYONE sees title changes, Idon't have that =
strange a=20
  config.)- Bob
Comer"Rich"
<{at}> wrote in =
message=20
  news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
  There is something different about your system.  There has to be=20
  somereason why you claim you see this all the time and everyone =
else does=20
  not.I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have =
problems. =20
  Windows 2000sends notifications
fine.   You have =
no=20
  CD-ROM software?  These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  If=20
  thelatter, don't you have software to burn CDs?  For that =
matter, are=20
  you usinginbox or non-inbox drivers?  If the latter, are they =
WHQL=20
  certified?  Again,there must be some reason why you claim to =
never=20
  see title changes whileeveryone else does =
not.Rich =20
  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  messagenews:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be =
clicked=20
  on.  Yours  does not sound like a video=20
  problem.<  That's kind of part of the
symptom I'm =
seeing,=20
  except you get an error if  you double click on them. (file =
not=20
  found)  >   Network
drive issues could be a =
problem=20
  or limitation with the file  server to which you are=20
  connecting.  The server needs to send change  =
notifications=20
  requested by the client.  What kind of server is it to =
which =20
  you are connecting?<  Windows 200
Server, Snap server, =
and our=20
  AS/400, they all do it. 
>   The CD-ROM =
title update=20
  also depends on change notifications.  I'm 
suspecious =
that you=20
  claim this happens 100% of the time on all of
yourPCs.  =
Do you=20
  have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on=20
  allof  your
PCs.<  Nope, but like I said, =
I have=20
  autorun disabled.  - Bob
Comer  =
"Rich"=20
  <{at}> wrote in message news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
  Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on. =20
  Yours  does not sound like a video=20
 
problem.    
The CD-ROM title update =
also=20
  depends on change notifications.  I'm 
suspecious that =
you claim=20
  this happens 100% of the time on all of
yourPCs.  Do you =
have=20
  some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on =
allof =20
  your PCs. 
Rich    "Robert
Comer" =
<bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message  news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if it=20
  weren't    refreshing the screen=20
  properly.    >The
symptoms described were =
that the=20
  icon images were visible but 
clicking    =
on them=20
  had no effect.    That's
not what i was =
describing --=20
  you can move these icons that
youjust    =
deleted, you=20
  can try to delete them again 9and you get a file not=20
  found    error)  and as for
the network drives =
that=20
  exhibit the same
behavior,they    just don't
=
show up,=20
  and you know their connected because of a=20
  commandline    net use
shows them.  As for =
the=20
  cdrom's never changing the disk
namewhen    you =
change=20
  the CD, you tell me. (probably something to do with=20
  autorunnot    turned on,
but it should update =
when=20
  accessing the CD.)    And
also, this beahovior =
is=20
  exactly the same on all my PC's
regardlessof    =

  video.    - Bob =
Comer   =20
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;     =20
  Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were that=20
  the  icon   
images were visible but =
clicking on=20
  them had no effect.  That is
an    indication =
that=20
  there is no icon there.  There are ways to=20
  distinguishby    opening
another window and =
dragging it=20
  across the front of the one with   
phantom icons =
or=20
  minimizing then maximizing.   =20
  Rich    "Robert
Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message    news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an =
update =20
  problem    in
explorer.    - =
Bob=20
  Comer   
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message =
news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
      =20
  What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching issue. =20
  It  sounds   
like a display driver =
problem with=20
  blts that manifests as repaint  =
problems.   =20
 
Rich     
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:3eb48e3c{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;    =20
  "Frank Haber" <frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>">mailto:frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message      news:3eb44dd4$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
  > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears (is =
there=20
  a      >
SHELLICONCACHE in=20
 
NT?)     
yes there is a =
shelliconcache in=20
  NT.     =20
Geo.

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