From: "Robert Comer" 

>   If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the
server is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?

Pretty sure, but I can see tomorrow.  I have to have a lot of drives mapped
usually for it to happen.

>Still, there is something different about your computers that you see this
"a LOT".  I am curious, how are you deleting the files and
folders when these operations aren't triggering refreshes?<

My usual way is left click, del key. (or cursor keys to select and del key.)

- Bob Comer



"Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5c28f{at}w3.nls.net...
   If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the server
is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?  Still, there is something
different about your computers that you see this "a LOT".  I am
curious, how are you deleting the files and folders when these operations
aren't triggering refreshes?

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
news:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >   There is something different about your system.

  System(s).

  >There has to be some reason why you claim you see this all the time and
  everyone else does not.

  No, I didn't say I see it all the time, just a LOT.  I don't know what
  causes it.

  >I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows 2000
  sends notifications fine.

  I don't have a problem on Win9x machines this way, it sends the
  notifications just fine.

  >   You have no CD-ROM software?

  Some of the PC's yes, some no, and not the same version on any.

  >These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>

  Both, but mostly CDRW. Even have a DVD and a DVDRW.

  >If the latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?

  On the ones with rw, yes, but none of them have that active crud (tray
icon
  that asks you what to do when you put in a blank CD) or the direct cd type
  stuff.

  >For that matter, are you using inbox or non-inbox drivers

  In box on all but one PC. (newer video card than what's in the box on my
  main PC at home.)  Supposedly certified though.

  >Again, there must be some reason why you claim to never see title changes
  while everyone else does not.

  If I knew I'd tell you why. (and I doubt EVERYONE sees title changes, I
  don't have that strange a config.)

  - Bob Comer



  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...
     There is something different about your system.  There has to be some
  reason why you claim you see this all the time and everyone else does not.
  I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows 2000
  sends notifications fine.

     You have no CD-ROM software?  These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  If the
  latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?  For that matter, are you
using
  inbox or non-inbox drivers?  If the latter, are they WHQL certified?
Again,
  there must be some reason why you claim to never see title changes while
  everyone else does not.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
  news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.
Yours
    does not sound like a video problem.<

    That's kind of part of the symptom I'm seeing, except you get an error
if
    you double click on them. (file not found)

    >   Network drive issues could be a problem or limitation with the file
    server to which you are connecting.  The server needs to send change
    notifications requested by the client.  What kind of server is it to
which
    you are connecting?<

    Windows 200 Server, Snap server, and our AS/400, they all do it.

    >   The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications.  I'm
    suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of your
  PCs.
    Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on all
  of
    your PCs.<

    Nope, but like I said, I have autorun disabled.

    - Bob Comer



    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...
       Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.  Yours
    does not sound like a video problem.


       The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications.  I'm
    suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of your
  PCs.
    Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on all
  of
    your PCs.

    Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
    news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if it were
  n't
      refreshing the screen properly.

      >The symptoms described were that the icon images were visible but
    clicking
      on them had no effect.

      That's not what i was describing -- you can move these icons that you
  just
      deleted, you can try to delete them again 9and you get a file not
found
      error)  and as for the network drives that exhibit the same behavior,
  they
      just don't show up, and you know their connected because of a command
  line
      net use shows them.  As for the cdrom's never changing the disk name
  when
      you change the CD, you tell me. (probably something to do with autorun
  not
      turned on, but it should update when accessing the CD.)

      And also, this beahovior is exactly the same on all my PC's regardless
  of
      video.

      - Bob Comer



      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...
         Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were that
the
    icon
      images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  That is an
      indication that there is no icon there.  There are ways to distinguish
  by
      opening another window and dragging it across the front of the one
with
      phantom icons or minimizing then maximizing.

      Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
      news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an update
    problem
      in explorer.

      - Bob Comer


      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching issue.  It
    sounds
      like a display driver problem with blts that manifests as repaint
    problems.

      Rich

        "Geo."  wrote in message
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        "Frank Haber"  wrote in message
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        > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears (is there a
        > SHELLICONCACHE in NT?)

        yes there is a shelliconcache in NT.

        Geo.

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