From: "Robert Comer" 

>   This is because you have disabled all media change notifications by
changing the value you changed.<

Yep, know that -- it used to be a setting in device manager/device, but
when XP came out that disappeared.

fwiw, it isn't me who physically changes this, it's VMware that does it and
I just use the same technique on my other PC's.

>Everything that relies on change notifications, like changing the name and
icon, will be affected by this.

Interesting, might explain some other stuff.

>   You should change the shell policy settings for autorun not the device
settings for change notification.  See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/shellcc/pla
tform/shell/programmersguide/shell_basics/shell_basics_extending/autorun/aut
oplay_reg.asp.<

Thanks, I'll give that a try!

- Bob Comer



"Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb70597{at}w3.nls.net...
   This is because you have disabled all media change notifications by
changing the value you changed.  See
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=/
windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/regentry/58493.asp.  Everything that
relies on change notifications, like changing the name and icon, will be
affected by this.

   You should change the shell policy settings for autorun not the device
settings for change notification.  See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/shellcc/pla
tform/shell/programmersguide/shell_basics/shell_basics_extending/autorun/aut
oplay_reg.asp.

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
news:3eb6a4a6{at}w3.nls.net...
  > What autorun setting are you changing?


HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Cdrom\"AutoRun"=dword:0
  0000001

  >   The two CD-RW configuration could be an issue with those two drives.
  I've seen several OEMs like Dell report on their web sites that two CD-RW
  configurations are not supported.  I have multiple machines with a DVD-ROM
  and CD-RW that work fine.  I just tried one.<

  It works every other way. (and it's a DVD/CDRW and a plain CDRW, and it's
an
  IBM Netvista.)

  - Bob Comer



  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb6a244{at}w3.nls.net...


     The two CD-RW configuration could be an issue with those two drives.
  I've seen several OEMs like Dell report on their web sites that two CD-RW
  configurations are not supported.  I have multiple machines with a DVD-ROM
  and CD-RW that work fine.  I just tried one.

  Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
  news:3eb695b2{at}w3.nls.net...
  Okay, one down partially at least -- turning off autorun stops the CD
names
  from updating in explorer on a virgin, nothing extra installed PC.  But
that
  is not the only thing that stops it unfortunately, on a PC with 2 CDRW
  drives, it still doesn't update the CD names even with autorun turned on
and
  functioning. I suspect another autorun type setting somewhere...

  - Bob Comer


  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5c91c{at}w3.nls.net...
     Something very strange is going on if you delete the file from Explorer
  and it doesn't disappear.  Try Shift+Del or Shift+Click on Delete menu
item
  if you aren't doing so already.  With shift the files are deleted instead
of
  moved to the recycle bin.

  Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
  news:3eb5c3b6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >   If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the
  server is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?

  Pretty sure, but I can see tomorrow.  I have to have a lot of drives
mapped
  usually for it to happen.

  >Still, there is something different about your computers that you see
this
  "a LOT".  I am curious, how are you deleting the files and folders when
  these operations aren't triggering refreshes?<

  My usual way is left click, del key. (or cursor keys to select and del
key.)

  - Bob Comer



  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5c28f{at}w3.nls.net...
     If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the
server
  is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?  Still, there is something
  different about your computers that you see this "a LOT".  I am curious,
how
  are you deleting the files and folders when these operations aren't
  triggering refreshes?

  Rich

    "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
  news:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >   There is something different about your system.

    System(s).

    >There has to be some reason why you claim you see this all the time and
    everyone else does not.

    No, I didn't say I see it all the time, just a LOT.  I don't know what
    causes it.

    >I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows 2000
    sends notifications fine.

    I don't have a problem on Win9x machines this way, it sends the
    notifications just fine.

    >   You have no CD-ROM software?

    Some of the PC's yes, some no, and not the same version on any.

    >These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>

    Both, but mostly CDRW. Even have a DVD and a DVDRW.

    >If the latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?

    On the ones with rw, yes, but none of them have that active crud (tray
  icon
    that asks you what to do when you put in a blank CD) or the direct cd
type
    stuff.

    >For that matter, are you using inbox or non-inbox drivers

    In box on all but one PC. (newer video card than what's in the box on my
    main PC at home.)  Supposedly certified though.

    >Again, there must be some reason why you claim to never see title
changes
    while everyone else does not.

    If I knew I'd tell you why. (and I doubt EVERYONE sees title changes, I
    don't have that strange a config.)

    - Bob Comer



    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...
       There is something different about your system.  There has to be some
    reason why you claim you see this all the time and everyone else does
not.
    I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows 2000
    sends notifications fine.

       You have no CD-ROM software?  These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  If the
    latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?  For that matter, are you
  using
    inbox or non-inbox drivers?  If the latter, are they WHQL certified?
  Again,
    there must be some reason why you claim to never see title changes while
    everyone else does not.

    Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
    news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.
  Yours
      does not sound like a video problem.<

      That's kind of part of the symptom I'm seeing, except you get an error
  if
      you double click on them. (file not found)

      >   Network drive issues could be a problem or limitation with the
file
      server to which you are connecting.  The server needs to send change
      notifications requested by the client.  What kind of server is it to
  which
      you are connecting?<

      Windows 200 Server, Snap server, and our AS/400, they all do it.

      >   The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications.  I'm
      suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of your
    PCs.
      Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on
all
    of
      your PCs.<

      Nope, but like I said, I have autorun disabled.

      - Bob Comer



      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...
         Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.
Yours
      does not sound like a video problem.


         The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications.  I'm
      suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of your
    PCs.
      Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on
all
    of
      your PCs.

      Rich

        "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
      news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if it
were
    n't
        refreshing the screen properly.

        >The symptoms described were that the icon images were visible but
      clicking
        on them had no effect.

        That's not what i was describing -- you can move these icons that
you
    just
        deleted, you can try to delete them again 9and you get a file not
  found
        error)  and as for the network drives that exhibit the same
behavior,
    they
        just don't show up, and you know their connected because of a
command
    line
        net use shows them.  As for the cdrom's never changing the disk name
    when
        you change the CD, you tell me. (probably something to do with
autorun
    not
        turned on, but it should update when accessing the CD.)

        And also, this beahovior is exactly the same on all my PC's
regardless
    of
        video.

        - Bob Comer



        "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...
           Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were that
  the
      icon
        images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  That is an
        indication that there is no icon there.  There are ways to
distinguish
    by
        opening another window and dragging it across the front of the one
  with
        phantom icons or minimizing then maximizing.

        Rich

        "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
        news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an update
      problem
        in explorer.

        - Bob Comer


        "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...
           What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching issue.
It
      sounds
        like a display driver problem with blts that manifests as repaint
      problems.

        Rich

          "Geo."  wrote in message
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          "Frank Haber"  wrote in message
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          > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears (is there
a
          > SHELLICONCACHE in NT?)

          yes there is a shelliconcache in NT.

          Geo.

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