From: "Robert Comer" 

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Okay, one down partially at least -- turning off autorun stops the CD =
names from updating in explorer on a virgin, nothing extra installed PC. =
 But that is not the only thing that stops it unfortunately, on a PC =
with 2 CDRW drives, it still doesn't update the CD names even with =
autorun turned on and functioning. I suspect another autorun type = setting
somewhere...

- Bob Comer


  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5c91c{at}w3.nls.net...
     Something very strange is going on if you delete the file from =
Explorer and it doesn't disappear.  Try Shift+Del or Shift+Click on =
Delete menu item if you aren't doing so already.  With shift the files =
are deleted instead of moved to the recycle bin.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3eb5c3b6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >   If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when =
the
    server is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?

    Pretty sure, but I can see tomorrow.  I have to have a lot of drives =
mapped
    usually for it to happen.

    >Still, there is something different about your computers that you =
see this
    "a LOT".  I am curious, how are you deleting the files and folders =
when
    these operations aren't triggering refreshes?<

    My usual way is left click, del key. (or cursor keys to select and =
del key.)

    - Bob Comer



    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5c28f{at}w3.nls.net...
       If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when =
the server
    is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?  Still, there is =
something
    different about your computers that you see this "a LOT".  I am =
curious, how
    are you deleting the files and folders when these operations aren't
    triggering refreshes?

    Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
    news:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      >   There is something different about your system.

      System(s).

      >There has to be some reason why you claim you see this all the =
time and
      everyone else does not.

      No, I didn't say I see it all the time, just a LOT.  I don't know =
what
      causes it.

      >I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  =
Windows 2000
      sends notifications fine.

      I don't have a problem on Win9x machines this way, it sends the
      notifications just fine.

      >   You have no CD-ROM software?

      Some of the PC's yes, some no, and not the same version on any.

      >These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>

      Both, but mostly CDRW. Even have a DVD and a DVDRW.

      >If the latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?

      On the ones with rw, yes, but none of them have that active crud =
(tray
    icon
      that asks you what to do when you put in a blank CD) or the direct =
cd type
      stuff.

      >For that matter, are you using inbox or non-inbox drivers

      In box on all but one PC. (newer video card than what's in the box =
on my
      main PC at home.)  Supposedly certified though.

      >Again, there must be some reason why you claim to never see title =
changes
      while everyone else does not.

      If I knew I'd tell you why. (and I doubt EVERYONE sees title =
changes, I
      don't have that strange a config.)

      - Bob Comer



      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...
         There is something different about your system.  There has to =
be some
      reason why you claim you see this all the time and everyone else =
does not.
      I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows =
2000
      sends notifications fine.

         You have no CD-ROM software?  These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  If =
the
      latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?  For that matter, are =
you
    using
      inbox or non-inbox drivers?  If the latter, are they WHQL =
certified?
    Again,
      there must be some reason why you claim to never see title changes =
while
      everyone else does not.

      Rich

        "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
      news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked =
on.
    Yours
        does not sound like a video problem.<

        That's kind of part of the symptom I'm seeing, except you get an =
error
    if
        you double click on them. (file not found)

        >   Network drive issues could be a problem or limitation with =
the file
        server to which you are connecting.  The server needs to send =
change
        notifications requested by the client.  What kind of server is =
it to
    which
        you are connecting?<

        Windows 200 Server, Snap server, and our AS/400, they all do it.

        >   The CD-ROM title update also depends on change =
notifications.  I'm
        suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all =
of your
      PCs.
        Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have =
installed on all
      of
        your PCs.<

        Nope, but like I said, I have autorun disabled.

        - Bob Comer



        "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...
           Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked =
on.  Yours
        does not sound like a video problem.


           The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications. =
 I'm
        suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all =
of your
      PCs.
        Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have =
installed on all
      of
        your PCs.

        Rich

          "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
        news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if =
it were
      n't
          refreshing the screen properly.

          >The symptoms described were that the icon images were visible =
but
        clicking
          on them had no effect.

          That's not what i was describing -- you can move these icons =
that you
      just
          deleted, you can try to delete them again 9and you get a file =
not
    found
          error)  and as for the network drives that exhibit the same =
behavior,
      they
          just don't show up, and you know their connected because of a =
command
      line
          net use shows them.  As for the cdrom's never changing the =
disk name
      when
          you change the CD, you tell me. (probably something to do with =
autorun
      not
          turned on, but it should update when accessing the CD.)

          And also, this beahovior is exactly the same on all my PC's =
regardless
      of
          video.

          - Bob Comer



          "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...
             Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were =
that
    the
        icon
          images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  That =
is an
          indication that there is no icon there.  There are ways to =
distinguish
      by
          opening another window and dragging it across the front of the =
one
    with
          phantom icons or minimizing then maximizing.

          Rich

          "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
          news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an =
update
        problem
          in explorer.

          - Bob Comer


          "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...
             What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching =
issue.  It
        sounds
          like a display driver problem with blts that manifests as =
repaint
        problems.

          Rich

            "Geo."  wrote in message
    news:3eb48e3c{at}w3.nls.net...
            "Frank Haber"  wrote in message
            news:3eb44dd4$1{at}w3.nls.net...

            > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears (is =
there a
            > SHELLICONCACHE in NT?)

            yes there is a shelliconcache in NT.

            Geo.






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Okay, one down partially at least -- =
turning off=20
autorun stops the CD names from updating in explorer on a virgin, = nothing extra=20
installed PC.  But that is not the only thing that stops it =
unfortunately,=20
on a PC with 2 CDRW drives, it still doesn't update the CD names even = with=20
autorun turned on and functioning. I suspect another autorun type = setting=20
somewhere...
 
- Bob Comer
 
 

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3eb5c91c{at}w3.nls.net...
    
Something very strange =
is going on=20
  if you delete the file from Explorer and it doesn't disappear.  =
Try=20
  Shift+Del or Shift+Click on Delete menu item if you aren't doing so=20
  already.  With shift the files are deleted instead of moved to =
the=20
  recycle bin.
   
  Rich
   
  
    "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote=20
    in message news:3eb5c3b6$1{at}w3.nls.net...>  =20
    If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when =
theserver=20
    is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?Pretty
sure, but =
I can=20
    see tomorrow.  I have to have a lot of drives mappedusually =
for it=20
    to happen.>Still, there is something
different about your =

    computers that you see this"a LOT".  I am
curious, how are =
you=20
    deleting the files and folders whenthese operations aren't =
triggering=20
    refreshes?<My usual way is left click, del key. (or =
cursor keys=20
    to select and del key.)- Bob
Comer"Rich" =
<{at}>=20
    wrote in message news:3eb5c28f{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
    If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the=20
    serveris Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?  Still, =
there is=20
    somethingdifferent about your computers that you see this "a =
LOT". =20
    I am curious, howare you deleting the files and folders when =
these=20
    operations aren'ttriggering
refreshes?Rich  =
"Robert=20
    Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote=20
    in messagenews:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
    >   There is something different about your=20
    system. 
System(s).  >There has to be =
some=20
    reason why you claim you see this all the time and  =
everyone else=20
    does not.  No, I didn't say I see it all
the time, just =
a=20
    LOT.  I don't know what  causes
it.  =
>I'd not=20
    be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows=20
    2000  sends notifications
fine.  I don't have =
a=20
    problem on Win9x machines this way, it sends the  =
notifications=20
    just fine.  >  
You have no CD-ROM=20
    software?  Some of the PC's yes, some no,
and not the =
same=20
    version on any.  >These are CD-ROMs or=20
    CD-R/W?>  Both, but mostly CDRW.
Even have a DVD and =
a=20
    DVDRW.  >If the latter, don't you
have software to =
burn=20
    CDs?  On the ones with rw, yes, but none
of them have =
that=20
    active crud (trayicon  that asks you what
to do when =
you put in=20
    a blank CD) or the direct cd type 
stuff.  =
>For=20
    that matter, are you using inbox or non-inbox
drivers  =
In box=20
    on all but one PC. (newer video card than what's in the box on =
my =20
    main PC at home.)  Supposedly certified
though. =20
    >Again, there must be some reason why you claim to never see =
title=20
    changes  while everyone else does
not.  If I =
knew I'd=20
    tell you why. (and I doubt EVERYONE sees title changes, I  =
don't=20
    have that strange a config.)  - Bob =
Comer =20
    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
    There is something different about your system.  There has to =
be=20
    some  reason why you claim you see this all the time and =
everyone=20
    else does not.  I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 =
have=20
    problems.  Windows 2000  sends notifications=20
    fine.     You
have no CD-ROM =
software? =20
    These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  If
the  latter, =
don't you=20
    have software to burn CDs?  For that matter, are =
youusing =20
    inbox or non-inbox drivers?  If the latter, are they WHQL=20
    certified?Again,  there must be some
reason why you =
claim to=20
    never see title changes while  everyone else does=20
    not. 
Rich    "Robert
Comer" =
<bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote=20
    in message  news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
    >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be =
clicked=20
    on.Yours    does not
sound like a video=20
    problem.<   
That's kind of part of the =
symptom=20
    I'm seeing, except you get an
errorif    you =
double=20
    click on them. (file not
found)    =
>  =20
    Network drive issues could be a problem or limitation with the=20
    file    server to which you are
connecting.  =
The=20
    server needs to send change   
notifications =
requested by=20
    the client.  What kind of server is it=20
    towhich    you are=20
    connecting?<   
Windows 200 Server, Snap =
server,=20
    and our AS/400, they all do
it.    =
>  =20
    The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications. =20
    I'm    suspecious that you claim
this happens =
100% of the=20
    time on all of your 
PCs.    Do you have =
some=20
    CD-ROM related software which you have installed on all =20
    of    your
PCs.<    =
Nope, but=20
    like I said, I have autorun
disabled.    - =
Bob=20
   
Comer   
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in =
message news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;     =20
    Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.  =

    Yours    does not sound like a video=20
   
problem.      
The CD-ROM =
title=20
    update also depends on change notifications.  =
I'm   =20
    suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of=20
    your  PCs.   
Do you have some CD-ROM =
related=20
    software which you have installed on all  =
of   =20
    your PCs.   =20
   
Rich     
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote=20
    in message    news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
    If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if it=20
    were 
n't      refreshing
the =
screen=20
   
properly.     
>The symptoms =
described=20
    were that the icon images were visible
but   =20
    clicking      on
them had no=20
   
effect.     
That's not what i was=20
    describing -- you can move these icons that you =20
    just     
deleted, you can try to =
delete them=20
    again 9and you get a file =
notfound     =20
    error)  and as for the network drives that exhibit the same=20
    behavior, 
they      just =
don't show=20
    up, and you know their connected because of a command =20
    line      net
use shows them.  As =
for the=20
    cdrom's never changing the disk name =20
    when      you
change the CD, you tell =
me.=20
    (probably something to do with autorun =20
    not      turned
on, but it should =
update when=20
    accessing the
CD.)     
And also, =
this=20
    beahovior is exactly the same on all my PC's regardless =20
    of     =20
   
video.     
- Bob=20
   
Comer     
"Rich" <{at}> =
wrote=20
    in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;       =20
    Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were=20
    thatthe    =
icon     =20
    images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  That =
is=20
    an     
indication that there is no =
icon=20
    there.  There are ways to distinguish =20
    by      opening
another window and =
dragging it=20
    across the front of the =
onewith     =20
    phantom icons or minimizing then=20
   
maximizing.     =20
   
Rich     
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote=20
    in message      news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
    It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an=20
    update    =
problem      in=20
   
explorer.     
- Bob=20
   
Comer     
"Rich" <{at}> =
wrote in=20
    message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
        =20
    What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching issue.  =

    It   
sounds      =
like a=20
    display driver problem with blts that manifests as=20
    repaint   =20
   
problems.     =20
   
Rich       
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
messagenews:3eb48e3c{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;      =20
    "Frank Haber" <frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>">mailto:frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>
=
wrote in=20
   
message       
news:3eb44dd4$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
       =20
    > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears (is =
there=20
   
a       
> SHELLICONCACHE =
in=20
   
NT?)       
yes there is =
a=20
    shelliconcache in =
NT.       =20
   
Geo.

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