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BK>> The facts speak for themselves. The economy was much better
BK>> under Clinton. The deficit, and the debt load decreased under
BK>> Clinton. Both skyrocketed under Bush. The economy created more

 JB> The debt went up under the Clinton, regardless of how the
 JB> books were manipulated to show the deficit being positive.

 The debt went up during his early years, until it was turned
 around. That is normal for reversing an economic trend.

 The Bush 2007 Budget History files shows the deficit was
 eliminated in Clinton's second term. If you don't believe it,
 blame Bush. Go to Whitehouse.gov, click on the OMB link, go to
 the 2007 budget, and go down to the budget history files.

 JB> Home ownership is at an all time high under Bush.  Bush has

 So are foreclosures.

 You do realize, I trust, that good economy or bad people need a
 place to live. Owning a home is not that much more expensive
 than renting. The historically low interest rates of the recent
 past were a great incentive to home ownership. That and
 alternative financing methods, that made home ownership more
 doable, yet also contributed to the high rate of foreclosures.

 JB> created more jobs than the CLinton but keep repeating your

 Uh... say what?

 Oh, if you count from Bush's low to Bush's high, maybe. You have
 to subtract the ones he lost before counting the ones created
 to get meaningful numbers.

 Every number I am going to give you below came from the Bush
 administration.

 JB> lie.  More people are working now than any time in history.

 There are more people in this country now than any time in
 history. So there needs to be more jobs just to keep the
 population working.

 The working age population grew from 214 mill to 230 mill, or a
 growth of 16 mill. The number employed grew from 137 mill to 145
 mill, or a growth of 7 mill. Less than half the number of jobs
 needed.

 Under Clinton, for his first 7 years, the population grew from
 194 mill to 207 mill. A growth of 13 mill. The number employed
 grew from 118 mill to 132 mill. Or a growth of 14 mill. A true
 decrease in unemployment, not just booting them off the list.

 http://www.dol.gov/dol/findit.htm>

 Data extracted on: June 11, 2007 (11:07:18 PM)

 Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey


Series Id:           LNU00000000Q

Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title:        (Unadj) Population Level
Labor force status:  Civilian noninstitutional population
Type of data:        Number in thousands
Age:                 16 years and over

Year       Qtr1        Qtr2        Qtr3       Qtr4
1993      194106      195068      195068      195621
1994      196085      196522      197050      197600
1995      197882      198296      198807      199352
1996      199776      200280      200850      201457
1997      202396      202835      203367      203936
1998      204395      204905      205483      206098
1999      206876      207432      208044      208660
2000  (1) 211586      212242      212918      213560
2001      214101      214735      215422      216112
2002      216664      217204      217867      218543
2003  (1) 220110      220774      221513      222276
2004      222356      222973      223680      224418
2005      225038      225674      226422      227196
2006      227764      228433      229167      229896
2007      230839

1 : Data affected by changes in population controls in January 2000, January 
2003, January 2004, January 2005, January 2006, and January 2007.



Series Id:           LNU02000000Q

Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title:        (Unadj) Employment Level
Labor force status:  Employed
Type of data:        Number in thousands
Age:                 16 years and over


Year        Qtr1        Qtr2        Qtr3        Qtr4
1993      117675      121681      121681      121512
1994      120416      122805      124257      124783
1995      123294      124851      125882      125571
1996      124085      126495      128084      128166
1997      127132      129552      130729      130818
1998      129505      131492      132279      132578
1999      131759      133453      134207      134534
2000  (1) 135485      137175      137289      137613
2001      136638      137293      137295      136508
2002      135059      136548      137389      136945
2003  (1) 136374      137820      138124      138625
2004      137333      139051      140189      140435
2005      139180      141662      143001      143075
2006      142083      144221      145332      146073
2007      144692

1 : Data affected by changes in population controls in January 2000, January 
2003, January 2004, January 2005, January 2006, and January 2007.


 JB>  Inflation and unemployment are lower under Bush.


 JB>  Tax
 JB>  receipts are the highest ever (not something I am proud of

 According to the Bush administration's 2007 Budget History
 Files, tax receipts for $2025.5 bill. For 2005, last year with
 actual totals, $1898.3 Bill. Projected for 2007, $2018.1 Bill.
 Projected estimate for 2008, 2,115.5 bill. If this isn't the
 worst tax revenue performance of any president since WW2 it must
 be close.

 JB>  but it plays to you liberals) and the tax burden on the
 JB>  average American is lower.

 Since nothing else works out for Bush, I won't believe this
 either.

 JB> You libs have a weird idea of a good economy.

 Yeah, jobs for everyone who needs one at increasing wages, not
 declining.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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