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   What autorun setting are you changing?

   The two CD-RW configuration could be an issue with those two drives.  =
I've seen several OEMs like Dell report on their web sites that two = CD-RW
configurations are not supported.  I have multiple machines with a =
DVD-ROM and CD-RW that work fine.  I just tried one.

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3eb695b2{at}w3.nls.net...
  Okay, one down partially at least -- turning off autorun stops the CD =
names from updating in explorer on a virgin, nothing extra installed PC. =
 But that is not the only thing that stops it unfortunately, on a PC =
with 2 CDRW drives, it still doesn't update the CD names even with =
autorun turned on and functioning. I suspect another autorun type = setting
somewhere...

  - Bob Comer


    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5c91c{at}w3.nls.net...
       Something very strange is going on if you delete the file from =
Explorer and it doesn't disappear.  Try Shift+Del or Shift+Click on =
Delete menu item if you aren't doing so already.  With shift the files =
are deleted instead of moved to the recycle bin.

    Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3eb5c3b6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      >   If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when =
the
      server is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?

      Pretty sure, but I can see tomorrow.  I have to have a lot of =
drives mapped
      usually for it to happen.

      >Still, there is something different about your computers that you =
see this
      "a LOT".  I am curious, how are you deleting the files and folders =
when
      these operations aren't triggering refreshes?<

      My usual way is left click, del key. (or cursor keys to select and =
del key.)

      - Bob Comer



      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5c28f{at}w3.nls.net...
         If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when =
the server
      is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?  Still, there is =
something
      different about your computers that you see this "a LOT".  I am =
curious, how
      are you deleting the files and folders when these operations =
aren't
      triggering refreshes?

      Rich

        "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
      news:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        >   There is something different about your system.

        System(s).

        >There has to be some reason why you claim you see this all the =
time and
        everyone else does not.

        No, I didn't say I see it all the time, just a LOT.  I don't =
know what
        causes it.

        >I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  =
Windows 2000
        sends notifications fine.

        I don't have a problem on Win9x machines this way, it sends the
        notifications just fine.

        >   You have no CD-ROM software?

        Some of the PC's yes, some no, and not the same version on any.

        >These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>

        Both, but mostly CDRW. Even have a DVD and a DVDRW.

        >If the latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?

        On the ones with rw, yes, but none of them have that active crud =
(tray
      icon
        that asks you what to do when you put in a blank CD) or the =
direct cd type
        stuff.

        >For that matter, are you using inbox or non-inbox drivers

        In box on all but one PC. (newer video card than what's in the =
box on my
        main PC at home.)  Supposedly certified though.

        >Again, there must be some reason why you claim to never see =
title changes
        while everyone else does not.

        If I knew I'd tell you why. (and I doubt EVERYONE sees title =
changes, I
        don't have that strange a config.)

        - Bob Comer



        "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...
           There is something different about your system.  There has to =
be some
        reason why you claim you see this all the time and everyone else =
does not.
        I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  =
Windows 2000
        sends notifications fine.

           You have no CD-ROM software?  These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  =
If the
        latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?  For that matter, =
are you
      using
        inbox or non-inbox drivers?  If the latter, are they WHQL =
certified?
      Again,
        there must be some reason why you claim to never see title =
changes while
        everyone else does not.

        Rich

          "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
        news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked =
on.
      Yours
          does not sound like a video problem.<

          That's kind of part of the symptom I'm seeing, except you get =
an error
      if
          you double click on them. (file not found)

          >   Network drive issues could be a problem or limitation with =
the file
          server to which you are connecting.  The server needs to send =
change
          notifications requested by the client.  What kind of server is =
it to
      which
          you are connecting?<

          Windows 200 Server, Snap server, and our AS/400, they all do =
it.

          >   The CD-ROM title update also depends on change =
notifications.  I'm
          suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all =
of your
        PCs.
          Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have =
installed on all
        of
          your PCs.<

          Nope, but like I said, I have autorun disabled.

          - Bob Comer



          "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...
             Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked =
on.  Yours
          does not sound like a video problem.


             The CD-ROM title update also depends on change =
notifications.  I'm
          suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all =
of your
        PCs.
          Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have =
installed on all
        of
          your PCs.

          Rich

            "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
          news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...
            If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts =
if it were
        n't
            refreshing the screen properly.

            >The symptoms described were that the icon images were =
visible but
          clicking
            on them had no effect.

            That's not what i was describing -- you can move these icons =
that you
        just
            deleted, you can try to delete them again 9and you get a =
file not
      found
            error)  and as for the network drives that exhibit the same =
behavior,
        they
            just don't show up, and you know their connected because of =
a command
        line
            net use shows them.  As for the cdrom's never changing the =
disk name
        when
            you change the CD, you tell me. (probably something to do =
with autorun
        not
            turned on, but it should update when accessing the CD.)

            And also, this beahovior is exactly the same on all my PC's =
regardless
        of
            video.

            - Bob Comer



            "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...
               Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described =
were that
      the
          icon
            images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  =
That is an
            indication that there is no icon there.  There are ways to =
distinguish
        by
            opening another window and dragging it across the front of =
the one
      with
            phantom icons or minimizing then maximizing.

            Rich

            "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
            news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...
            It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's =
an update
          problem
            in explorer.

            - Bob Comer


            "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...
               What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching =
issue.  It
          sounds
            like a display driver problem with blts that manifests as =
repaint
          problems.

            Rich

              "Geo."  wrote in message
      news:3eb48e3c{at}w3.nls.net...
              "Frank Haber"  wrote in message
              news:3eb44dd4$1{at}w3.nls.net...

              > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears =
(is there a
              > SHELLICONCACHE in NT?)

              yes there is a shelliconcache in NT.

              Geo.






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   What
autorun setting are =
you=20
changing?
 
   The two CD-RW =
configuration could be=20
an issue with those two drives.  I've seen several OEMs like Dell
= report on=20
their web sites that two CD-RW configurations are not supported. 
I = have=20
multiple machines with a DVD-ROM and CD-RW that work fine.  I just
= tried=20
one.
 
Rich
 

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message news:3eb695b2{at}w3.nls.net...
  Okay, one down partially at least -- =
turning off=20
  autorun stops the CD names from updating in explorer on a virgin, =
nothing=20
  extra installed PC.  But that is not the only thing that stops it =

  unfortunately, on a PC with 2 CDRW drives, it still doesn't update the =
CD=20
  names even with autorun turned on and functioning. I suspect another =
autorun=20
  type setting somewhere...
   
  - Bob Comer
   
   
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:3eb5c91c{at}w3.nls.net...
      
Something very strange =
is going on=20
    if you delete the file from Explorer and it doesn't disappear.  =
Try=20
    Shift+Del or Shift+Click on Delete menu item if you aren't doing so=20
    already.  With shift the files are deleted instead of moved to =
the=20
    recycle bin.
     
    Rich
     
    
      "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
      wrote in message news:3eb5c3b6$1{at}w3.nls.net...>  =20
      If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when=20
      theserver is Windows 2000 and not just snap or =
AS/400?Pretty=20
      sure, but I can see tomorrow.  I have to have a lot of drives =

      mappedusually for it to
happen.>Still, there is =
something=20
      different about your computers that you see this"a
LOT".  =
I am=20
      curious, how are you deleting the files and folders whenthese=20
      operations aren't triggering refreshes?<My
usual way is =
left=20
      click, del key. (or cursor keys to select and del key.)- =
Bob=20
      Comer"Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:3eb5c28f{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
      If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the =

      serveris Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?  =
Still, there=20
      is somethingdifferent about your computers that you see this =
"a=20
      LOT".  I am curious, howare you deleting the
files and =
folders=20
      when these operations aren'ttriggering=20
      refreshes?Rich 
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
      wrote in messagenews:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
      >   There is something different about your=20
      system. 
System(s).  >There has to be =
some=20
      reason why you claim you see this all the time and  =
everyone else=20
      does not.  No, I didn't say I see it all
the time, =
just a=20
      LOT.  I don't know what  causes
it.  =
>I'd=20
      not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  =
Windows=20
      2000  sends notifications
fine.  I don't =
have a=20
      problem on Win9x machines this way, it sends the  =
notifications=20
      just fine.  >  
You have no CD-ROM=20
      software?  Some of the PC's yes, some
no, and not the =
same=20
      version on any.  >These are CD-ROMs or=20
      CD-R/W?>  Both, but mostly CDRW.
Even have a DVD =
and a=20
      DVDRW.  >If the latter, don't you
have software to =
burn=20
      CDs?  On the ones with rw, yes, but none
of them have =
that=20
      active crud (trayicon  that asks you
what to do when =
you put=20
      in a blank CD) or the direct cd type  =
stuff. =20
      >For that matter, are you using inbox or non-inbox=20
      drivers  In box on all but one PC.
(newer video card =
than=20
      what's in the box on my  main PC at home.)  =
Supposedly=20
      certified though.  >Again, there
must be some =
reason why=20
      you claim to never see title changes  while everyone else =
does=20
      not.  If I knew I'd tell you why. (and I doubt =
EVERYONE sees=20
      title changes, I  don't have that strange a=20
      config.)  - Bob
Comer  "Rich" =
<{at}>=20
      wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
      There is something different about your system.  There has to =
be=20
      some  reason why you claim you see this all the time and =
everyone=20
      else does not.  I'd not be surprised if the snap or =
AS/400 have=20
      problems.  Windows 2000  sends notifications=20
      fine.     You
have no CD-ROM =
software? =20
      These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  If
the  latter, =
don't you=20
      have software to burn CDs?  For that matter, are=20
      youusing  inbox or non-inbox
drivers?  If the =
latter,=20
      are they WHQL certified?Again,  there
must be some =
reason why=20
      you claim to never see title changes while  everyone else =
does=20
      not. 
Rich    "Robert
Comer" =
<bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
      wrote in message  news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
      >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't =
be=20
      clicked on.Yours   
does not sound like a =
video=20
      problem.<   
That's kind of part of the =
symptom=20
      I'm seeing, except you get an
errorif    =
you double=20
      click on them. (file not
found)    =
>  =20
      Network drive issues could be a problem or limitation with the=20
      file    server to which you are =
connecting.  The=20
      server needs to send change   
notifications =
requested=20
      by the client.  What kind of server is it=20
      towhich    you are=20
      connecting?<   
Windows 200 Server, Snap =
server,=20
      and our AS/400, they all do
it.    =
>  =20
      The CD-ROM title update also depends on change =
notifications. =20
      I'm    suspecious that you claim
this happens =
100% of=20
      the time on all of your 
PCs.    Do =
you have=20
      some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on =
all =20
      of    your
PCs.<    =
Nope, but=20
      like I said, I have autorun
disabled.    - =
Bob=20
     
Comer   
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in =
message=20
      news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;     =20
      Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked =
on. =20
      Yours    does not sound like a video=20
     
problem.      
The =
CD-ROM title=20
      update also depends on change notifications. =20
      I'm    suspecious that you claim
this happens =
100% of=20
      the time on all of your 
PCs.    Do =
you have=20
      some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on =
all =20
      of    your
PCs.   =20
     
Rich     
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
      wrote in message    news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
      If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if it=20
      were 
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the screen=20
     
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effect.     
That's not what i =
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notfound     =20
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don't show=20
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As for=20
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me.=20
      (probably something to do with autorun =20
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CD.)     
And also, =
this=20
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      of     =20
     
video.     
- Bob=20
     
Comer     
"Rich" =
<{at}> wrote=20
      in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;       =20
      Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were=20
      thatthe    =
icon     =20
      images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  That =
is=20
      an     
indication that there is no =
icon=20
      there.  There are ways to distinguish =20
      by     
opening another window and =
dragging=20
      it across the front of the =
onewith     =20
      phantom icons or minimizing then=20
     
maximizing.     =20
     
Rich     
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>=20
      wrote in
message     
news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
      It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an=20
      update    =
problem      in=20
     
explorer.     
- Bob=20
     
Comer     
"Rich" <{at}> =
wrote in=20
      message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
        =20
      What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching =
issue. =20
      It   
sounds      =
like a=20
      display driver problem with blts that manifests as=20
      repaint   =20
     
problems.     =20
     
Rich       
"Geo." =
<georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in=20
      messagenews:3eb48e3c{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;      =20
      "Frank Haber" <frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>">mailto:frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>
=
wrote in=20
     
message       
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       =20
      > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears =
(is there=20
     
a       
> =
SHELLICONCACHE in=20
     
NT?)       
yes there =
is a=20
      shelliconcache in =
NT.       =20
      =
Geo.

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