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to: mark lewis
from: Roy J. Tellason
date: 2003-04-13 20:03:44
subject: Broken?

mark lewis wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT>> How can you tell when you have one of those?

 ml>> hummm... it's basically the newer ones... i know that the AMD
 ml>> durons and thunderbirds fell into that catagory... their
 ml>> installation paperwork should carry the necessary info...

 RJT> Can't say I remember ever getting any installation paperwork
 RJT> for a CPU,  but then I'm not running anything that new here
 RJT> anyway.

 ml> wait till you get one where the heatsink has four circular
 ml> foamrubber feet in each corner... this is one that goes on the
 ml> early duron or so... on the chip, the actual die is raised and is
 ml> about the size of your little fingernail... that's all the area
 ml> that the heatsink is to touch, too... and there're surface mount
 ml> chips on the ceramic... too much heatsink or getting sloppy can
 ml> cause a short on the cpu, itself...

Yikes!

 ml> wait till you get one you want/need to put a watercooler system on
 ml> >  they're out there now, today... i've even sold some 
 ml> speciality cases that have "freon cooling" for lack of a better 
 ml> term... they're basically freezers... compressor and such built in
 ml> the bottom of the case and special piping and "heatsink" up into
 ml> the case to mount on the cpu chip...

Heh.  I'll have a little holder sticking out the front to keep my coffee
cup warm,  while I'm at it.    There's something really wrong with
them jamming that much stuff into that small a space and trying to get it
to dissipate that much power...

I'm not convinced that multiple CPUs might not be a better way to go, 
anyway,  I don't have any single application that demands that much CPU
horsepower,  can't imagine anything I'd want to do here needing such a
thing.  And those who do (animators,  for example) seem to be moving to
arrays of lower-grade machines,  running linux.

Weren't some of the Cray machines liquid-cooled?

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