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   Something very strange is going on if you delete the file from =
Explorer and it doesn't disappear.  Try Shift+Del or Shift+Click on =
Delete menu item if you aren't doing so already.  With shift the files =
are deleted instead of moved to the recycle bin.

Rich

  "Robert Comer"  wrote in message =
news:3eb5c3b6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >   If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the
  server is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?

  Pretty sure, but I can see tomorrow.  I have to have a lot of drives =
mapped
  usually for it to happen.

  >Still, there is something different about your computers that you see =
this
  "a LOT".  I am curious, how are you deleting the files and folders =
when
  these operations aren't triggering refreshes?<

  My usual way is left click, del key. (or cursor keys to select and del =
key.)

  - Bob Comer



  "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5c28f{at}w3.nls.net...
     If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the =
server
  is Windows 2000 and not just snap or AS/400?  Still, there is =
something
  different about your computers that you see this "a LOT".  I am =
curious, how
  are you deleting the files and folders when these operations aren't
  triggering refreshes?

  Rich

    "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
  news:3eb5bb38$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >   There is something different about your system.

    System(s).

    >There has to be some reason why you claim you see this all the time =
and
    everyone else does not.

    No, I didn't say I see it all the time, just a LOT.  I don't know =
what
    causes it.

    >I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows =
2000
    sends notifications fine.

    I don't have a problem on Win9x machines this way, it sends the
    notifications just fine.

    >   You have no CD-ROM software?

    Some of the PC's yes, some no, and not the same version on any.

    >These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>

    Both, but mostly CDRW. Even have a DVD and a DVDRW.

    >If the latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?

    On the ones with rw, yes, but none of them have that active crud =
(tray
  icon
    that asks you what to do when you put in a blank CD) or the direct =
cd type
    stuff.

    >For that matter, are you using inbox or non-inbox drivers

    In box on all but one PC. (newer video card than what's in the box =
on my
    main PC at home.)  Supposedly certified though.

    >Again, there must be some reason why you claim to never see title =
changes
    while everyone else does not.

    If I knew I'd tell you why. (and I doubt EVERYONE sees title =
changes, I
    don't have that strange a config.)

    - Bob Comer



    "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...
       There is something different about your system.  There has to be =
some
    reason why you claim you see this all the time and everyone else =
does not.
    I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 have problems.  Windows =
2000
    sends notifications fine.

       You have no CD-ROM software?  These are CD-ROMs or CD-R/W?>  If =
the
    latter, don't you have software to burn CDs?  For that matter, are =
you
  using
    inbox or non-inbox drivers?  If the latter, are they WHQL certified?
  Again,
    there must be some reason why you claim to never see title changes =
while
    everyone else does not.

    Rich

      "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
    news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.
  Yours
      does not sound like a video problem.<

      That's kind of part of the symptom I'm seeing, except you get an =
error
  if
      you double click on them. (file not found)

      >   Network drive issues could be a problem or limitation with the =
file
      server to which you are connecting.  The server needs to send =
change
      notifications requested by the client.  What kind of server is it =
to
  which
      you are connecting?<

      Windows 200 Server, Snap server, and our AS/400, they all do it.

      >   The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications.  =
I'm
      suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of =
your
    PCs.
      Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed =
on all
    of
      your PCs.<

      Nope, but like I said, I have autorun disabled.

      - Bob Comer



      "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...
         Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on.  =
Yours
      does not sound like a video problem.


         The CD-ROM title update also depends on change notifications.  =
I'm
      suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of =
your
    PCs.
      Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed =
on all
    of
      your PCs.

      Rich

        "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
      news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if it =
were
    n't
        refreshing the screen properly.

        >The symptoms described were that the icon images were visible =
but
      clicking
        on them had no effect.

        That's not what i was describing -- you can move these icons =
that you
    just
        deleted, you can try to delete them again 9and you get a file =
not
  found
        error)  and as for the network drives that exhibit the same =
behavior,
    they
        just don't show up, and you know their connected because of a =
command
    line
        net use shows them.  As for the cdrom's never changing the disk =
name
    when
        you change the CD, you tell me. (probably something to do with =
autorun
    not
        turned on, but it should update when accessing the CD.)

        And also, this beahovior is exactly the same on all my PC's =
regardless
    of
        video.

        - Bob Comer



        "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...
           Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were =
that
  the
      icon
        images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  That is =
an
        indication that there is no icon there.  There are ways to =
distinguish
    by
        opening another window and dragging it across the front of the =
one
  with
        phantom icons or minimizing then maximizing.

        Rich

        "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
        news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an =
update
      problem
        in explorer.

        - Bob Comer


        "Rich"  wrote in message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...
           What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching =
issue.  It
      sounds
        like a display driver problem with blts that manifests as =
repaint
      problems.

        Rich

          "Geo."  wrote in message
  news:3eb48e3c{at}w3.nls.net...
          "Frank Haber"  wrote in message
          news:3eb44dd4$1{at}w3.nls.net...

          > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears (is =
there a
          > SHELLICONCACHE in NT?)

          yes there is a shelliconcache in NT.

          Geo.






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Shift+Del=20
or Shift+Click on Delete menu item if you aren't doing so
already.  = With=20
shift the files are deleted instead of moved to the recycle =
bin.
 
Rich
 

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
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  refreshes?<My usual way is left click, del
key. (or cursor =
keys to=20
  select and del key.)- Bob
Comer"Rich" =
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  in message news:3eb5c28f{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
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  If you don't see it all the time, are you sure you see it when the=20
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  am curious, howare you deleting the files and folders when these=20
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"Robert=20
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= wrote in=20
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  >   There is something different about your =
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that active=20
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  are you using inbox or non-inbox drivers  In
box on all =
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  PC. (newer video card than what's in the box on my  main PC =
at=20
  home.)  Supposedly certified
though.  >Again, =
there must=20
  be some reason why you claim to never see title changes  =
while=20
  everyone else does not.  If I knew I'd tell
you why. (and =
I doubt=20
  EVERYONE sees title changes, I  don't have that strange a=20
  config.)  - Bob
Comer  "Rich" =
<{at}>=20
  wrote in message news:3eb5a26c{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
  There is something different about your system.  There has to be=20
  some  reason why you claim you see this all the time and =
everyone=20
  else does not.  I'd not be surprised if the snap or AS/400 =
have=20
  problems.  Windows 2000  sends notifications=20
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software?  These=20
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latter, don't you =
have=20
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youusing  inbox=20
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why you claim =
to=20
  never see title changes while  everyone else does =
not. =20
  Rich    "Robert
Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message  news:3eb58b92$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  >   Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be =
clicked=20
  on.Yours    does not sound
like a video=20
  problem.<    That's
kind of part of the =
symptom I'm=20
  seeing, except you get an
errorif    you double =
click=20
  on them. (file not
found)   
>   =
Network=20
  drive issues could be a problem or limitation with the=20
  file    server to which you are
connecting.  =
The=20
  server needs to send change    notifications =
requested by=20
  the client.  What kind of server is it =
towhich   =20
  you are
connecting?<   
Windows 200 Server, =
Snap=20
  server, and our AS/400, they all do
it.   =20
  >   The CD-ROM title update also depends on change=20
  notifications.  I'm   
suspecious that you =
claim this=20
  happens 100% of the time on all of your  =
PCs.   =20
  Do you have some CD-ROM related software which you have installed on=20
  all  of    your =
PCs.<   =20
  Nope, but like I said, I have autorun =
disabled.    -=20
  Bob
Comer   
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in =
message=20
  news:3eb5614a{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;     =20
  Someone else was describing icons that couldn't be clicked on. =20
  Yours    does not sound like a video=20
 
problem.      
The CD-ROM =
title=20
  update also depends on change notifications.  =
I'm   =20
  suspecious that you claim this happens 100% of the time on all of=20
  your  PCs.    Do
you have some CD-ROM =
related=20
  software which you have installed on all  =
of   =20
  your PCs.    =
Rich     =20
  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message    news:3eb55783$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
  If it were a video driver problem i would expect artifacts if it=20
  were 
n't      refreshing
the =
screen=20
 
properly.     
>The symptoms =
described=20
  were that the icon images were visible
but   =20
  clicking      on
them had no=20
 
effect.     
That's not what i was =
describing=20
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  just      deleted,
you can try to delete =
them=20
  again 9and you get a file =
notfound     =20
  error)  and as for the network drives that exhibit the same=20
  behavior, 
they      just don't
=
show up,=20
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  line      net use
shows them.  As =
for the=20
  cdrom's never changing the disk name =20
  when      you
change the CD, you tell me. =

  (probably something to do with autorun =20
  not      turned
on, but it should update =
when=20
  accessing the
CD.)     
And also, =
this=20
  beahovior is exactly the same on all my PC's regardless =20
  of     =20
 
video.     
- Bob=20
 
Comer     
"Rich" <{at}> =
wrote in=20
  message news:3eb543e6{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;       =20
  Why should there be artifacts?  The symptoms described were=20
  thatthe    =
icon     =20
  images were visible but clicking on them had no effect.  That is=20
  an      indication
that there is no icon=20
  there.  There are ways to distinguish =20
  by      opening
another window and =
dragging it=20
  across the front of the
onewith     
=
phantom=20
  icons or minimizing then =
maximizing.     =20
 
Rich     
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>">mailto:bobcomer{at}mindspring.com">bobcomer{at}mindspring.com>
= wrote in=20
  message      news:3eb4b634$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
     =20
  It's not a repaint problem as there are no artifacts, it's an=20
  update   
problem      =
in=20
 
explorer.     
- Bob=20
 
Comer     
"Rich" <{at}> wrote =
in=20
  message news:3eb4b068$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
        =20
  What people are describing doesn't sound like a caching issue. =20
  It   
sounds      like =
a=20
  display driver problem with blts that manifests as=20
  repaint    =
problems.     =20
 
Rich       
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
messagenews:3eb48e3c{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;      =20
  "Frank Haber" <frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>">mailto:frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>
=
wrote in=20
 
message       
news:3eb44dd4$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
       =20
  > or detail and back.  Clearing whatever TWEAKUI clears (is =
there=20
 
a       
> SHELLICONCACHE in =

 
NT?)       
yes there is a=20
  shelliconcache in =
NT.       =20
 
Geo.

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