*** Quoting Philip Lozier from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 CS> Whats happening is some folks are talking quietly and very
 CS> privately on the issue to many of us but we collectively do not
 CS> have a whole picture. I suspect Malcolm (who's been sick and is
 CS> catching up since this weekend) may have the only 'official' copy
 CS> of the results.  Then again, he may not have them either.

PL> If "some" folks are talking quietly and privately, it
obviously means
PL> there is an interest in it... shouldn't be dismiised out of hand then.

It isnt being, but that discussion has been going on as a fringe for 2
years ¨now.  Janis has a few folks telling her one thing, I have a few
telling me ¨another, Ward has others saying other things.  They do not
match up.  There ¨seem to be 6-8 people involved split between 3 of us. 
Very hard to 'judge' ¨based on that!

I dont think I'm breaking any secrets to say that ward is getting the 'dont
¨want to move' and janis and i are getting the 'want to move' set.  Think
about ¨human nature and you can see that.  Are we to judge based on 6-8
people?

I do not know about the others, but I need something more solid for
something ¨this important.

 CS> that 'Ward is guilty' of something this time.  He's totally
 CS> innocent this time.  He brought the issue to the ZCC right away as
 CS> soon as he had some shreds of info.  Z4C was the first to note the
 CS> numbers were too low to mean anything should be done with what
 CS> little we have.

PL> But a refrendum is only prior to an actual vote on the move... correct
PL>  If a majority of the interested parties responded to the affirmative,
PL> then it should go to the vote, which would have a higher standard of a
PL> numbers participating to pass or fail.

possibly.  So far, they are dead in the water at their own chosing and at
least ¨part of that is failure to follow up with information to the ZCC.

 CS> non-mainstream.

PL> Since really "nobody" seems to know what actually
happened, none of th
PL> results mentioned can be trusted at all... maybe not even Malcoms'.

True, but he may have something.  One would hope they at least bothered to
send ¨it to him if they wanted us to act in some way about it.

PL> Since it was actully based on the idea of a whole new zone as well, it
PL> is a bit different... I think that with the proposed demise of Z6, and
PL> that this other interest existed for theRussians, that the idea should
PL> of a gradual Z6 migration should be proposed as an alternative... it -
PL> produce very different results than the Z7 issue did, whatever thsoe r
PL> were (God only knows if we;ll ever know what they were it seems).

possible.  Bit late in the game and warned the only contact I had about
that ¨*and* Ward.
                                       xxcarol

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