->  J> Lessee...
-> 
->  ->>>>>>>> No, it is life and death, whether
you like it or not.
-> 
->  J>>>>>>> It's like getting a tooth pulled.
-> 
->  ->> Ask a woman what she goes through during and after an abortion and
then
->  J> get
->  ->> back to me on that.
-> 
->  J> The answers vary greatly. Primarily relief.
-> 
-> You can't be serious.
-> 
-> Again, you speak out of ignorance.
From talking to a lot of women...and interviewing scores of opinionated
women...
I don't claim to be any sort of expert...but I've been married for 57
years, and have two grown daughters and grandchildren...Abortion never was
ever considered in my family...
You, I understand are not married...from where does your font of knowledge
spring?
 
->  ->> Like always, the pro-abortion crowd...
-> 
->  J> A lot of people (many!) who feel that a woman has freedom to choose
what
->  J> happens to her body...are also saddened by the prevalence of
abortion:
->  J> there are many good suggestions yo reduce this: In sum: Legal, Safe
and
->  J> Rare.
-> 
-> That isn't the goal for the pro-abortion crowd...
Haven't heard from, any of the "Pro abortion" 'crowd' with whom you seem
familiar...
 
 Their goal is to have abortion
-> available up to and including delivering an almost full-term child and
killing
-> it or letting it die of neglect.
Wow. You must know a lot of really strange people. Or look for them to
buttress your 'anti-choice' prejudice...

-> 
-> Ms. Sanger (the founder of Planned Parenthood) was a racist whose stated
goal
-> was to eliminate African-Americans through birth control.

I doubt that. Martin Luther King didn't think so. Some do. It has little to
do with the topic at hand...
 
-> 
->  J> I really know of no one who is Pro-abortion in any general sense...
-> 
-> You delude yourself, then.

:-) Speaking of which...

 
->  J> 'Convenience' is at best use of a trivial word concerning an
important
->  J> subject.
-> 
-> If they rely on abortion as a form of birth control it is all about
-> convenience.

-> 
-> BTW, at the top, you said it was like pulling a tooth. Which is it?
Oh. I'd say a molar...

-> 
->  J>>>>>>> Yep. A child is born alive when the
first breath of air is
->  J> taken.
-> 
->  ->>>>>> It is alive long before that.
-> 
->  J> Just exactly how long do you figure. The moment of conception. At
that very
->  J> instant a soul is implanted? If that fetus is removed does the
implanted
->  J> soul die?
-> 
-> It is life from the moment of conception. It contains its own unique DNA
and
-> starts to grow from a single cell at a rapid rate. In just a few short
weeks it
-> is almost fully developed. There is evidence that at a very early stage
it is
-> self-aware. The soul is also developed in the womb.
Yes, many people believe that.

-> 
-> You attempts at dehumanizing the fetus is typical of those who support
abortion
-> at any cost.

I support a woman's right to control her body.
-> 
-> 
->  ->> Your first breath did not transform you from a "collection of
molecules"
->  J> into a
->  ->> human life. Your were human and alive in your mother's womb.
-> 
->  J> You have every right to believe that. People (many) insist of
believing
->  J> differently. The argument will continue.
-> 
-> No one said you didn't have the right to believe it. I merely said you
were
-> wrong in believing it.
:-)

-> 
->  ->>>> Obviously you weren't dead in the womb.
->  J>>> There was no "I" in the womb. There was a
mechanism, assembling,
->  J> becoming
->  J>>> usable. The engine started when it started to breathe.
Then senses
->  J>>> conjoined and neurons flowed with input from surroundings..._I_
came
->  J> into
->  J>>> existence sometime later...
-> 
->  ->> That is the most ignorant comment I have ever read...
->  J> There are a lot of ignorant people around. Many have funny capital
letters
->  J> attached to their name. Many also are from other current cultures
not
->  J> considered barbaric :-)
-> 
-> Huh?

I didn't THINK you were paying attention :-)

-> 
->  ->> (I) have no desire for an unwanted child to be brought into
->  J>>> this
->  J>>>>> world. Or forcing any woman to do so.
-> 
->  ->>>> Ah yes, death is better than being wanted...
-> 
->  J>>> Abortion is a sad decision, IMO to be made by the woman.
-> 
->  ->> It is and the saddest part is that 99% of abortions are done for
the
->  ->> convenience of the woman --
->  J> A silly, made up statistic. And 'convenience' a silly non-empathetic
word.
-> 
-> Show me where that statistic is made up or wrong.
I don't have to. There is no basis for a statistic to measure
'convenience',
or to so ascribe it. No measure of unreported abortions...it is obviously
something that is produced for a purpose...fraudulently :-|
.
  
-> 
-> Really? And it takes empathy to support abortion?
Absolutely.
-> 

->  J> So you believe that those raped should be forced to bring the child
to
->  J> term. Incestuous pregnancies also?
->  J> Interesting, but cruel.
-> 
-> As I told Sauer, rape and incest rarely result in pregnancy. The
encounter is
-> all about power and nothing to do with sex.
In your somewhat less than profound opinion.

-> 
->  J> Now you are getting an even smaller percentage of those who might
agree
->  J> with you.(Not that that matters.)
-> 
-> If 9 million people believe wrongly, it doesn't change the fact that
they
-> believe wrongly.
-> 
-> I really couldn't care less who disagrees with me.
As I said...:-)

-> 
->  ->  ->> Fine, but please come into the discussion honestly and admit
that
->  J>>> abortion is
->  ->>>> ending a human life.
-> 
->  J>>> I honestly don't believe that.
-> 
->  ->> I cannot see why...
->  J> (Probably because that part of your "I" doesn't want to.)
-> 
-> No kidding?
No kidding.
-> 

->  J> I already stated my opinion on those molecules....
-> 
-> Again, you dehumanize it to ease your conscience.
MY conscience?
-> 
->  J>>> It is the termination of a pregnancy.
-> 
->  ->> And termination of a life whether you want to believe or not.
->  J> I understand that is your opinion.
-> 
-> It is a FACT! It isn't merely an opinion.
It is a FACT that it is your opinion. :-)

-> 
 
-> I'm the one dealing with reality here...

And dealing with it poorly.

 Your referring to the unborn child a
-> mere collection of molecules is bizarre.

 
->  J> ife
->  ->>>> support too if they aren't convenient?
->  J>>> All? No. Some? Depends. If the neuron aren't firing...there's no
one
->  J> there.
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
->  J>>>>>>> economic slavery .... the choice of
Leo Strauss and the
->  J> neocons...
-> 
->  ->>>>>> "[E]conomic slavery?"
->  J>>>>> Yes. Absolute servitude to the elitists.
-> 
-> 
->  ->>>> You mean like...
-> 
->  J>>> I don't 'mean like anything other than what I've said.
->  J>>> Nothing in the current administration has anything to
do with the
->  J> Political
->  J>>> Philosophy of Leo Strauss. (Which as interpreted by
the Neocons is
->  J> scary as
->  J>>> hell.
-> 
->  ->> That doesn't change the fact that Obama and his people are
elitists.
->  J> Good! Pragmatists as well.
->  J> I think, just off hand, that someone who receives a D.J Summa cum
laude
->  J> could well be described as an elitist. An elite crowd is better than
a
->  J> bunch of power-hungry ragamuffins...:-|
-> 
->  ->> "Neocon" is code for Jew.
->  J> That is simply not true.
-> 
->  J>>> (Tangential, and redefining of elite):
-> 
->  ->>>> .... serving Obama and his elitist administration? Where is
having
->  J> the
->  ->>>> authority to fire the CEO of a corporation in the
Constitution?
->  J> Where is
->  J>>> the
->  ->>>> authority for forcing another corporation to merge
with another?
-> 
->  J>>> The same authority that FDR has in closing the banks,
introducing
->  J> Social
->  J>>> Security et cetera...
-> 
->  ->> In other words, it isn't there.
->  J> Welcome to the post 1800's!
-> 
-> 
-> 
->  ->>>> Is it not elitist for the director of Homeland Security to
release
->  J> an
->  J>>> advisory
->  ->>>> labeling anyone who disagrees with the president a
right-wing
->  J> extremist
->  J>>> and
->  ->>>> potential terrorist?
-> 
->  J> No. Merely a stupid statement.
-> 
-> Ah, I see you had to delete the URL I gave you with which you could
learn
-> something. You then claim the above is a stupid statement.
-> 
 
-> Fox News:
-> 
-> Need I continue?

No. :-) I don't scamper round the net garnering ill-founded opinions from 
sources I don't believe credible.
 
Thanks anyway...
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