Wow. A loo00ng post...

Lessee...

->  ->>>>>> No, it is life and death, whether you like
it or not.
-> 
->  J>>>>> It's like getting a tooth pulled.
-> 
-> Ask a woman what she goes through during and after an abortion and then
get
-> back to me on that.

The answers vary greatly. Primarily relief.
-> 

-> 
-> Like always, the pro-abortion crowd...

A lot of people (many!) who feel that a woman has freedom to choose what
happens to her body...are also saddened by the prevalence of abortion:
there are many good suggestions yo reduce this: In sum: Legal, Safe and
Rare.
I really know of no one who is Pro-abortion in any general sense...



 have made up a story to make it seem like
-> abortion was meant to save women's lives. It has nothing to do with
saving the
-> life of the woman and everything to do with convenience.

'Convenience' is at best use of a trivial word concerning an important
subject.
-> 
-> 

-> 
->  J>>>>> Yep. A child is born alive when the first
breath of air is
taken.
-> 
->  ->>>> It is alive long before that.

Just exactly how long do you figure. The moment of conception. At that very
instant a soul is implanted? If that fetus is removed does the implanted
soul die?


-> 
-> Your first breath did not transform you from a "collection of
molecules"
into a
-> human life. Your were human and alive in your mother's womb.

You have every right to believe that. People (many) insist of believing
differently. The argument will continue. 
-> 
-> 
->  ->> Obviously you weren't dead in the womb.
->  J> There was no "I" in the womb. There was a mechanism,
assembling,
becoming
->  J> usable. The engine started when it started to breathe. Then senses
->  J> conjoined and neurons flowed with input from surroundings..._I_ came
into
->  J> existence sometime later...
-> 
-> That is the most ignorant comment I have ever read...
There are a lot of ignorant people around. Many have funny capital letters
attached to their name. Many also are from other current cultures not
considered barbaric :-)

-> 
-> If your scenario were true, killing a pregnant woman would not be
considered a
-> double murder by the law.
One murder conviction would be sufficient. 
-> 
-> (I) have no desire for an unwanted child to be brought into
->  J> this
->  J>>> world. Or forcing any woman to do so.
-> 
->  ->> Ah yes, death is better than being wanted...
-> 
->  J> Abortion is a sad decision, IMO to be made by the woman.
-> 
-> It is and the saddest part is that 99% of abortions are done for the
-> convenience of the woman --
A silly, made up statistic. And 'convenience' a silly non-empathetic word.
-> 
->  J> What is puzzling to me is that those who protest loudly against
abortions
->  J> because it is interfering with God (Or The Natural Order of
things)...
->  J> generally make exception in the case of rape or incest...God, it
seems
->  J> would agree with THOSE abortions...(Or bodies who naturally
abort...)
-> 
-> That is another ignorant position...
So you believe that those raped should be forced to bring the child to
term. Incestuous pregnancies also?
Interesting, but cruel.

 The only event abortion is even remotely
-> acceptable is when the life of the mother is in danger.

Now you are getting an even smaller percentage of those who might agree
with you.(Not that that matters.)

 
->  ->> Fine, but please come into the discussion honestly and admit that
->  J> abortion is
->  ->> ending a human life.
-> 
->  J> I honestly don't believe that.
-> 
-> I cannot see why...
(Probably because that part of your "I" doesn't want to.) 


 What is it if it isn't human? What is it if it isn't life? A
-> turnip?
I already stated my opinion on those molecules....
 
-> 
->  J> It is the termination of a pregnancy.
-> 
-> And termination of a life whether you want to believe or not.
I understand that is your opinion.
-> 
->  J> A human life has not begun.
 
-> Good for you. Your belief is in error.
So you prefer to believe.

ife
->  ->> support too if they aren't convenient?
->  J> All? No. Some? Depends. If the neuron aren't firing...there's no one
there.
-> 
-> -> 
 
-> 
->  J>>>>> economic slavery .... the choice of Leo Strauss and the
neocons...
-> 
->  ->>>> "[E]conomic slavery?"
->  J>>> Yes. Absolute servitude to the elitists.
-> 
-> 
->  ->> You mean like...
-> 
->  J> I don't 'mean like anything other than what I've said.
->  J> Nothing in the current administration has anything to do with the
Political
->  J> Philosophy of Leo Strauss. (Which as interpreted by the Neocons is
scary as
->  J> hell.
-> 
-> That doesn't change the fact that Obama and his people are elitists.
Good! Pragmatists as well.
I think, just off hand, that someone who receives a D.J Summa cum laude
could well be described as an elitist. An elite crowd is better than a
bunch of power-hungry ragamuffins...:-|
  
-> "Neocon" is code for Jew.
That is simply not true.
-> 
->  J> (Tangential, and redefining of elite):
-> 
->  ->> .... serving Obama and his elitist administration? Where is having
the
->  ->> authority to fire the CEO of a corporation in the Constitution?
Where is
->  J> the
->  ->> authority for forcing another corporation to merge with another?
-> 
->  J> The same authority that FDR has in closing the banks, introducing
Social
->  J> Security et cetera...
-> 
-> In other words, it isn't there.
Welcome to the post 1800's!

-> 
-> 
->  ->> Is it not elitist for the director of Homeland Security to release
an
->  J> advisory
->  ->> labeling anyone who disagrees with the president a right-wing
extremist
->  J> and
->  ->> potential terrorist?

No. Merely a stupid statement.

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